Jeremy Stangroom

@PhilosophyExp Doesn't Singer say that it is an 'innocent human being' but that it is sometimes ok to kill an innocent human being?

@SIN_Notung I think he couches the anti-abortion argument in terms of fetus = innocent human being.

@PhilosophyExp I thought that he conceded that they were right on *that* part at least.

@SIN_Notung Right. But no preferences, no personhood, so not the decisive point it's taken to be, etc.

@PhilosophyExp Yep - I remember he changed my mind about *how* to argue for pro-abortion. Before that I denied that the fetus was 'a human'.

@SIN_Notung Right. That claim is going to lead to trouble (plus just not the case that biology is the most important moral fact).

@PhilosophyExp Yes, and that trouble frequently rears its head. Pro-choicers have the right conclusion but often argue terribly IMO.

@PhilosophyExp ...though I suppose one could say that about any correct opinion!

@PhilosophyExp I thought the foetus was only considered a viable human being after 20 weeks?

@Personalwetness Yeah, but the key word there is "viable" - not "human being" (arguably)!

@PhilosophyExp Yes you're right but I think they mean can survive without medical intervention?

@Personalwetness Need lots of medical intervention to survive at 20 weeks (incubators, etc) - but fetus can survive at (roughly) that point.

@PhilosophyExp "Infanticide bullet" is that infanticide is not morally distinguishable from abortion, so is theoretically permissible?