Jeremy Stangroom

@PhilosophyExp @danielwaddell17 How long was the pause before you branded it "vile"? Should we dampen the cruel humour targeting the pope?

@skepteaser If the power differential is clearly wildly asymmetrical then the moral calculus is clearly different. Hence ridicule Pope.

@PhilosophyExp Sounds fair. I don't attack physical appearance, but I think the amount of bullying (incl.IRL) warrants pope-level ridicule.

@skepteaser Would you think that if you had good reason to think it was affecting the target's mental health? (Just a hypothetical.)

@PhilosophyExp I would refrain. But if the "target" of satire were engaging in vicious campaign of bullying, I'd file it under self-defence.

@skepteaser Fair enough. But presumably self-defence needs to be proportionate? You don't want to risk really fucking sombody up?

@PhilosophyExp Absolutely. I'd hate to cause serious distress to anyone. But we're still talking about ridicule vs. something worse.

@PhilosophyExp She & friends tried to destroy Abbie Smith's career & slandered 100s. Off coloured jokes are nothing

@danielwaddell17 @PhilosophyExp I.e. do what Michael Shermer did - protest strongly, but in a civil tone, against the ongoing witch hunt. /2

@Metamagician @danielwaddell17 @PhilosophyExp Absolutely right. The stuff Zvan quoted is both stupid & *helps* the witch-hunters!

@NotungSchwert @Metamagician @danielwaddell17 @PhilosophyExp can I quote-mine zvan too? Seems like a fun game

@bynkii say crying themselves to sleep every night because of the ridicule, etc., would that really leave you unmoved?

@PhilosophyExp the last thing she wants is for this to end. She's milking it for $$ and attention. So no, I feel no sympathy

@bynkii I don't buy the $ argument at all. I think it's all about attention. Plus, ideologues tend to believe their articles of faith, etc.

@PhilosophyExp it's about $$ too. Speaker fees and ad revenue don't generate themselves