Jesus wept. You can say false things when you don't have the freedom to say whatever you want. And you're often (in the true meaning of the word often unlike below) unable to say true things if you're not free. As I say, Jesus, bloody hell, my god.https://twitter.com/EthicalStL/status/1160636486678695936 …
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The Ethical (ha!) Society of St Louis should get itself a new slogan: Truth through authority. Man is everywhere in chains, hurrah! Freedom equals fake news.
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Replying to @PhilosophyExp
Freedom means you can say false things. That sounds like a true statement...
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So what - you don't need the freedom to say *whatever you want* to say false things (I'm not sure people have had that freedom at any point in history, yet they've said inumerable false things). And we know with certainty that absence of freedom leads to the suppression of truth
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One reason why I went to that twitter feed was to find more context to the quote. I can't find any. Acknowledging that freedom means freedom to say false things doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't have freedom of speech.
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Right, but acknowledging freedom means the freedom to say false things doesn't mean freedom is in conflict with truth. Neither in principle, because ability to say false things doesn't rule out saying true things. Nor empirically - we know that truth is served by freedom.
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I'd agree it doesn't in principle. In practice? I'd go so far as to say it doesn't on the whole conflict with the truth in practice. But I'd agree with the other fella that in practice it can/does..
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Though freedom to say anything (including false things) is one way people get to talk about them and figure out what's true. This must be some residual JS Mill reading kicking around in my head, coming out from time-to-time
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Okay, but even if I accept that in practice the freedom to say false things can lead to bad consequences, it isn't the freedom to say whatever you want - it's merely the freedom to say false things (which we've always had - it's not new).
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