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Vigilante violence is almost always wrong. Part of the reason is that by definition it has none of the checks & balances required to ensure retribution is proportionate (which is the lowest hurdle you need to clear before you can even get started on a defence of retribution).
You don't know anything about the random Nazi in the street you want to maim. You know nothing about his childhood, education or mental health. You have no idea whether he was brought up in appalling circumstances. Yet despite this you claim the right to maim him. Well fuck you.
It's bloody Americans again, isn't it? They can't escape their puritanical past. The European left tradition in which I grew up was all about structures & systems. We saw individuals as being moulded by circumstance. Culpability belonged to structures (or at a stretch classes).
Hmm. Sure we've all been to gigs where this sort of bigot turns up. When drunk their true selves show. Not advocating violence normally, nor calling this heroic, but these guys look for trouble. And it's late, can't show much sympathy.
I've been at gigs where these sorts of guys were a feature not a bug! :)
Intriguing. I used to be straight edge in my youth and we didnt tolerate nazi stuff, often ended in violence. As I got older I realised it was a kind of tribalism, and excluding behaviour. Oft3n done to show off to the easily impressed.
Wasn't that just an extension of warring youth cultures - mods & rockers, skins vs. everybody else, etc?
Yes. Lots of it was transient but there was something nasty about certain types of skins/Nazis which wasn't going to fade in time.
Right. In the UK, in the early 1980s, I managed to get beaten by a gang of skins. I'd been on an ANL demo, & ran into this group who were targeting ethnic minority people on Liverpool Street Station (in London). They didn't take kindly to badges & slogans I was naively wearing.
It was my first real insight into the fact there were people capable of violent acts that I simply would not be able to inflict upon a person. No amount of posturing or youthful feelings of invincibility could make up for the difference.
Interesting point sir. All manner of rapists and murderers in court play the “woe is me” card and go on about their deprivation and horrible lives from childhood. Usually the judge adjudicates on the basis that well, they’re not really to blame. It’s their upbringing.
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