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    1. simon wren-lewis‏ @sjwrenlewis Jul 16
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      New post: There is only one alternative to Prime Minister Boris Johnson https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/07/there-is-only-one-alternative-to-prime.html … Corbyn may not be a great or even a particularly good leader, but it seems few in the media recognise he is the only viable opposition to the far right we have.

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    2. Richard Elwes‏ @RichardElwes Jul 16
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      Some people (media & voters) refuse to back Corbyn even if it risks BJ as PM. Others (Labour members) refuse to ditch Corbyn even if it risks BJ as PM. You're arguing the immovability of one group compels the other to move. Not obvious it has to be this way around.

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    3. simon wren-lewis‏ @sjwrenlewis Jul 16
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      Been there, done that: Labour members will not ditch Corbyn before a GE. What worries me is that a lot of the criticism of Corbyn comes from people who do not accept that is true. They will fail to get rid of Corbyn before any GE but their efforts will keep Johnson in power.

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    4. Richard Elwes‏ @RichardElwes Jul 16
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      I don’t wholly disagree, but one can view the same phenomenon as the Labour membership’s refusal to ditch an obviously disastrous leader as keeping Johnson in power.

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    5. simon wren-lewis‏ @sjwrenlewis Jul 16
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      You say he is an obviously disastrous leader. I think if that was true Labour members would not keep him in power. He has delivered on a lot of the change these members wanted to see.

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    6. Richard Elwes‏ @RichardElwes Jul 17
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      Then those members are prioritising those changes over maximising their chances of forming the next government.

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    7. simon wren-lewis‏ @sjwrenlewis Jul 17
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      You are making assumptions here. If Labour members didn't think he could win an election they wouldn't keep him in power. I talk about this in the post.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jul 17
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      That isn't necessarily true, anyway. This stuff is tribal. Momentum would probably prefer Corbyn losing to centrist winning. And then it's a numbers game.

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        2. simon wren-lewis‏ @sjwrenlewis Jul 17
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          Well it certainly seems if some Labour supporters in the media and elsewhere would prefer to see Corbyn lose to Johnson than win.

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jul 17
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          Yes. It's tribal. But that doesn't help your point! (We saw this with Labour in the early 1980s. People on the Left are waiting for history to work its inexorable way out. It's a long project. Centrists think this is bonkers. Polarization & loathing is the result.)

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