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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 29
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      Also, if you want to get a sense of how the ancients viewed women (and again, there will be variation, etc., so you've got be nuanced about it), take a look at what Aristotle thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle%27s_views_on_women … His views weren't eccentric or unusual.

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    2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 29
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      This isn't to demonize individual men, or modern man, it's just about reporting history accurately. I tend to think of this stuff as being about structures or systems. It's not really about the morality of individual people.

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 29
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      If you want more examples of this sort of thing, you could take a look at a book I wrote with Ophelia Benson, "Does God Hate Women?". I think you'd be horrified at some of the things that happen to women in the name of religion.

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    5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 29
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      Okay, well this is quite a difficult topic. Basically, you're absolutely right, you can't say something like men tend to behave badly, therefore Tom is bad. You can't even say, men tend to behave badly, therefore Tom is probably bad.

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    6. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Jun 30
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      Why can't you make the latter claim?

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    7. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 30
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      Because you can't move from what is statistically true of a distribution (e.g., 60% of men are bad) to a claim that there's a 60% chance any particular man is bad. In fact, it's hard to make sense of a probability statement about a particular individual (he's either bad or not).

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    8. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Jun 30
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      Why not? If your only data point on this individual is that he's a man, why can't you do this? If 99% of snakes are venomous, is it not reasonable to assume any given snake you encounter is venomous, or at least likely enough to be venomous that caution is advised?

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    9. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 30
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      Replying to @StruanCurtis @Wendxii

      The snake you come across either is venomous or it isn't - probability doesn't come into it. What does it mean to say of a snake that isn't venomous that there's a 90% chance it's venomous?

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    10. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Jun 30
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

      The snake either is or isn't venomous. It's either 100% venomous or 0% venomous. But until you know that, you're reasonable to treat the snake with caution, since your only data point is that it's a snake, and 99% of them are venomous. Right?

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 30
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      Replying to @StruanCurtis @Wendxii

      Yes, but that's a statement about distribution of all snakes, not the particular snake you're looking at. You're saying, Uh oh, given that 90% of snakes are dangerous, I'd better be careful (not there's a 90% chance this particular snake is dangerous - it either is or isn't).

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        2. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Jun 30
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

          So is it ok to profile snakes?

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Jun 30
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          Replying to @StruanCurtis @Wendxii

          Yes, absolutely! End of!

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        4. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Jun 30
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @Wendxii

          I can't argue with that logic.

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