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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      Jeremy Stangroom Retweeted Erik Angner

      Every time Dawkins dumps on religion, my feed is full of people patiently explaining to him how he gets it wrong. And yet he keeps doing it. Is it too much to ask that a proponent of science and rationality should rationally update his beliefs in light of new evidence? Ah...https://twitter.com/ErikAngner/status/1103604440970469376 …

      Jeremy Stangroom added,

      Erik Angner @ErikAngner
      Every time Dawkins dumps on philosophy, my feed is full of people patiently explaining to him how he gets it wrong. And yet he keeps doing it. Is it too much to ask that a proponent of science and rationality should rationally update his beliefs in light of new evidence? https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1103342127721992193 …
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    2. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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      How is philosophy equivalent to religion though?

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      It isn't, but the relevant point is its difference, and it's utility, not the fact that lots of people are patiently explaining why he's wrong. Argumentum ad populum.

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    4. Erik Angner‏ @ErikAngner Mar 7
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      Yeah this misses the point. The point is that Dawkins makes error of fact and logic; people provide him with that information; yet his beliefs don’t update.

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    5. Erik Angner‏ @ErikAngner Mar 8
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      And there is in fact an analogy with religion: if Dawkins is presented with solid evidence that contradicts his stated beliefs about religion, then rationality requires him to update those beliefs too. Right?

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    6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 8
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      Yes, but that's question begging. The suggestion, I think, is that Dawkins is betraying his commitment to rationality by not updating his beliefs. My view is that's not true if he doesn't consider the evidence to be persuasive (even if he's actually wrong about that).

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    7. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 8
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @ErikAngner @StruanCurtis

      Of course, there must come a point at which one says not being persuaded amounts to a betrayal of rationality. But I'm sceptical that one gets to that point as a result of tweets, especially if the people making the tweets have a large stake in the game.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 8
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @ErikAngner @StruanCurtis

      Not because that means their evidence counts for less - it might count for more (if they have expertise, etc) - but because if you're Dawkins it's inevitably you're going to get 1000s of responses disputing just about anything you say. So what are you going to do?

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        2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 8
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          Moreover, people don't treat Dawkins with anything approaching a principle of charity. I've not paid much attention to this stuff, but didn't Bertrand Russell say something very similar about Aristotle and evidence? That his teleological approach held back intellectual progress?

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 8
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @ErikAngner @StruanCurtis

          There is a tendency for particular "interest groups" on Twitter to use "we've already explained this to you, we're not explaining it again, why haven't you updated your views" as a rhetorical device to disguise that the matter under consideration isn't settled. That's annoying!

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