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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      Jeremy Stangroom Retweeted Erik Angner

      Every time Dawkins dumps on religion, my feed is full of people patiently explaining to him how he gets it wrong. And yet he keeps doing it. Is it too much to ask that a proponent of science and rationality should rationally update his beliefs in light of new evidence? Ah...https://twitter.com/ErikAngner/status/1103604440970469376 …

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      Erik Angner @ErikAngner
      Every time Dawkins dumps on philosophy, my feed is full of people patiently explaining to him how he gets it wrong. And yet he keeps doing it. Is it too much to ask that a proponent of science and rationality should rationally update his beliefs in light of new evidence? https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1103342127721992193 …
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    2. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp

      How is philosophy equivalent to religion though?

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      It isn't, but the relevant point is its difference, and it's utility, not the fact that lots of people are patiently explaining why he's wrong. Argumentum ad populum.

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    4. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp

      I don't think Erik was making an argumentum ad populum, I think he was implying that enough people have corrected Dawkins that it's reasonable to believe Dawkins should have noticed at least some of those corrections by now.

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    5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      Begs the question. A religious person could say exactly the same. It amounts to the claim that if enough philosophers explain why philosophy is useful, philosophy must be useful. Well, no.

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    6. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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      Isn't it more like, enough people have messaged Dawkins that the message should have reached him by now. Not that the message is correct BECAUSE many people said it.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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      I mean, it's not as if philosophers don't think philosophy is a waste of time is exactly news - and it certainly doesn't count as evidence. The arguments they make might count as "evidence", but that cannot be assumed simply because lots of people are making the arguments.

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        2. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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          I really don't think Erik's point was that the number of people making the arguments increased their validity, just that it made it likely that Dawkins has been exposed to good arguments. I don't know where we disagree.

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp Mar 7
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          Because if his point is simply - but Dawkins must have seen all these good arguments, therefore, any absence of acquiescence stems from a failure to follow rules of evidence - it's both question begging and uncharitable.

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        4. Struan‏ @StruanCurtis Mar 7
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          Doesn't that depend on how strong the arguments actually are? If we assume it's likely Dawkins reads his replies.

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