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    1. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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      So how are they then even remotely similar?

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    2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      How is using a misogynistic slur, which has a long history of being used to silence and intimidate women, and which forms part of the linguistic weaponry ubiquitously employed by the alt-right, remotely similar to using a racist slur? Seriously, that's your question?

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      You can't seem anything *remotely* similar? This is Feminism 101. I could provide a reading list. You do understand how the word "cunt", when deployed in this sense, forms part of the language of sexual violence? I mean this stuff should be obvious.

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    4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      The fact that Bee is a woman doesn't magically erase the structural and systemic nature of this kind of language. Of course, it would be worse if she were a man, but it's absolutely the standard feminist line that you shouldn't use the word "cunt" in that sort of context.

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    5. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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      The fact that she’s a woman matters profoundly. I guarantee that everyone would be shocked if, say, John Oliver said the same thing. Just like there are different norms re: what white vs. black people can say to black people.

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    6. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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      You argue based on some feminist theory; I’m arguing based on actual prevailing norms and people’s moral intuitions, which use the identity of the speaker as a crucial factor in evaluating racially or gender charged language.

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    7. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      And also, you're a guy. And you hate Trump. Maybe that's why you think feminist theory isn't really so important here. The fact that people have been saying this stuff for at least 40 years - well, not to worry. Is that your position? (Are you enjoying explaining all this to me?)

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    8. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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      Plenty of women are saying the same thing. My sample is obviously not scientific, but the vast majority of women I know - including staunch feminists - hold more or less this position.

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    9. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      Yeah, you should Google motivated reasoning. And I'm perfectly well aware what people are saying - that's what I'm bloody complaining about! 😀😀😀

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    10. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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      One last thing. When people’s moral intuition doesn’t align with a moral theory, it’s not necessarily the people that are wrong. Also, male comedians aren’t forced to apologize for calling male politicians pricks, so there’s a real sense in which Bee is being discriminated.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 1 Jun 2018
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      Thing I like about you Sven - if that's your real name - is that you will engage properly (hope that doesn't sound patronising). But your "I hope I don't have to explain it to you" really was rather patronizing! Anyway, take care - and I'm sure we'll talk again.

      5:43 PM - 1 Jun 2018
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        1. Serial Banana Citizen‏ @svenosaurus 1 Jun 2018
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          Thanks. At that point I was too busy to engage for more than a minute, and I didn’t want to repeat the arguments which, as you agree, had already been made. Anyway, enjoy your tea!

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