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    Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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    Erroneous Monk Retweeted Charles Murray

    Challenge accepted! To summarize, This is a really good paper, consistent with the Murray hypothesis on race and IQ. Unfortunately, its color and genetic methodologies seem quite flawed. It should not be treated as anything close to conclusive (and doesn’t claim to be).https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1169209355159429120 …

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    Charles Murray @charlesmurray
    This is a new addition to the literature on racial admixtures and cognitive ability. It is complex, thorough, and nuanced, and deserves to be critiqued in the same fashion. https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/34 …
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      2. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        Headline result is consistent with roughly 60% of the median cognitive IQ gap explained by genetic factors. This table contains the most relevant results (SES = parent education, SIRE = selected race, EUR = euro ancestry, all numbers SDs) Next, some criticismpic.twitter.com/RdqkPDXwsI

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      3. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        First, on skin color: the authors admit to poor "tagging" on the color question in their data sample, reducing their phenotype sample to ~70% of full. Further, their reported correlation between color and ancestry is on the low end of previous research (0.39 vs 0.5).

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      4. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        1) A lower-than-average correlation implies that the lack of significance in the skin color moderator may simply be either sampling or error.

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      5. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        2) It’s also worth noting that median IQ for biracial people (98) is much closer to the EA (100) than AA (85). Given that biracial identification lies almost exactly at the middle of the EE/AA median for European Ancestry (60%), this implies a small genetic component to IQ scorespic.twitter.com/2elM10DJId

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      6. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        With that said, the sample size is really large for this type of study (7,000) so I doubt it's a sampling issue. But given that they note a prevalence of phenotype entry errors, I'm leary of taking that result too seriously.

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      7. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        I'm a novice on the genetics, but I'm extremely skeptical of their methodology here as well. Their genetic predictors (eduPGS) have only half the predictive ability for African Americans as they do for Europeans.

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      8. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        That's to be expected, as most of that research is done on European populations. But we should step back and consider the causal theory: if Euro ancestry predicts g through genetic inheritance, then that should be expressed primarily through those genes.

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      9. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        Instead, even when those genes are included in the model, Euro ancestry remains significant, and a larger effect than the eduPGS model.pic.twitter.com/ELyvGoxJf2

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      10. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        None of that makes these results invalid. And eduPGS doesn't predict all cognitive variability even among Europeans. It's intrinsic to the model that there would be leftover unmeasured genes contained in Euro ancestry.

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      11. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        But the lack of portability of these eduPGS scores is worrying for taking these results seriously. A lot more research on Africans and eduPGS measures is sorely needed.

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      12. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        To switch gears, you could also argue that the paper is an UNDERestimate of genetic factors. In controlling for parental education, they're arguably filtering out a huge portion of genetic influence.

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      13. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        And finally, this is predictive, not causal research. It could be the case that African ancestry predicts, say, exposure to lead, driving the other results. There are a whole host of unexamined environmental factors that could confound this analysis. Including parental wealth.

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      14. Erroneous Monk‏ @PedanticIdiot Sep 4
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        This is a really, really good paper. It definitely belongs in the good evidence file. But it's not proof or definitive at all. We should treat it as impetus for more research in its general direction.

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