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    1. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27

      Angus Johnston Retweeted Robin Hanson

      "Access to sex" isn't a coherent concept, particularly when analogized to "access to income," because "sex" isn't a fungible, transferrable commodity. There's only one way to provide someone with sex: Have sex with them.https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/989535565895864320 …

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      Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
      Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer simiarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis. Strikingly, I see little overlap between those concerned about income & sex inequality. http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/04/two-types-of-envy.html …
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    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism

      You can have access to things that are not commodities. The White House, for example, is not a commodity, and you might or might not have access to it.

      5 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @robinhanson

      The White House is public property, so society can provide you with access to it by passing a law that permits you to enter it. Permission to have sex can only be granted by the person having sex, so I can only provide you with access to sex by having sex with you.

      2 replies 3 retweets 100 likes
    4. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      I see that you wrote elsewhere that "giving cash in compensation for low sex" might be a solution to the problem you're describing that doesn't abrogate consent. But there are problems with that as well.

      2 replies 1 retweet 49 likes
    5. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      First, "lack of access to sex" is neither quantifiable nor an externality. How would you determine eligibility for subsidy? Also: subsidizing people who aren't having sex is only a solution to their problem if we assume universal interest in, and access to, sex workers' services.

      3 replies 4 retweets 68 likes
    6. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism

      There are also many complexities in implementing income redistribution. My comments don't have much to do with these details, as long as advocates do have some specific details that they propose.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @robinhanson

      "What does it mean to lack access to sex?" isn't a minor question in a discussion of compensating people who supposedly lack access to sex.

      4 replies 3 retweets 114 likes
      Peace4all‏ @Peace4all17 Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      Am I alone in worrying about this legitimization of incel It strikes me as a word created to provide manipulator a language to groom young boys to be hateful

      2:00 PM - 27 Apr 2018
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        2. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
          Replying to @Peace4all17 @robinhanson

          I think it's fine to use it as long as we're clear when we do that it does not refer to "people who want to have sex with somebody but are unable to find someone to have sex with."

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Peace4all‏ @Peace4all17 Apr 27
          Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

          My concern is with elevating a concept that possibly was created to encourage vulnerable boys to embrace arresting sexual development The cat is already out of the bag but I feel like this language coming from reddit was purposely designed and all usages aids in its mission

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        4. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
          Replying to @Peace4all17

          I hear you. But I think at this point there's far more danger in not acknowledging the phenomenon than in acknowledging it, and naming it is necessary to that process.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Peace4all‏ @Peace4all17 Apr 27
          Replying to @studentactivism

          But there's danger in using their words. We can talk about sexual development without it and the words are being used by Hanson & others to pervert logic & decency Angus you're great I dont question your motives it's something that has truly hit me after reading stuff about milo

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
          Replying to @Peace4all17

          I don't feel like you're pushing at me in an aggressive way. We're good. And the question is a good one. My view is that there's this thing out there called the "incel" movement, and we need to talk about it publicly, so we need to use the name.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
          Replying to @studentactivism @Peace4all17

          And honestly, part of my thinking on it being okay to use the name is that the name itself is weird and gross and off-putting. Nobody's going to hear "incel" in isolation and think "I want to get in on that!" It's all in the framing.

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