I haven't read the book so I'm not sure on the details of that... Relying on emergent sexual selection might be better than a state enforced program though, which would have administrative costs and a lot of cultural downsides
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emergent sexual selection involves a hell of a lot of rape, plunder and murder.
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I'd like laws to rein that stuff in but you don't need state managed breeding regimes
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Then it's just a difference between implicit and explicit statist schemes, not of their presence or absence, nor is it anything more biolen than erecting those norms in the first place.
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I think civilizations that want to advance beyond a certain level probably limit free-for-all rape, but maybe that's just my baizuo assumptions coming through, I support omni-directional exit, not against someone trying gilead somewhere
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Well yes, they limit a lot of behaviors and enforce a lot of norms. Sexuality in general gets put through a re-exploitable, reconfigurable and artificial game for example, at least when it's being put to good use.
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Yes, I'm not sure we actually disagree on anything here
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Just pointing out that insofar as there is anything like a sexual market, it is almost by the definition of civilization, regulated and distorted within it, just a matter of in what direction. (towards men, towards women, towards this or that particular interest or towards Gnon)
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the (reproductive) market needs to be directed towards Gnon as you put it. The debate about inceldom is mainly just about casual sex it seems to me, that was the only point I was originally making
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Is that true though? Seems like most conservative proposals go in the direction of making monogamous relationships, and therefore reproduction available to those that have no access to them under current circumstances, by political means. Pretty much the definition of bioleninism
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Good point, The way I'm looking at it is that incels are envying people with status and recreational sex lives not people with kids, but the answer to their problem from conservatives would push them back towards reproduction yes, not quite what they per se want though
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I'm not sure that isn't what they want, important not to conflate pua and incel communities (why one would want to think about this sort of stuff at that resolution? Good question, uhh epidemiology I guess)
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