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    1. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous @ParadiseDelayed

      The empirical question is what exactly the machine looks like, how it functions, and how you can tell it's not just a regular chunk of physics.

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    2. John from Synanon‏ @ParadiseDelayed 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous

      'Non-physics transceiver' sounds like you're back at cartesian dualism. How do you tell it's not just regular physics?

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    3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ParadiseDelayed

      Because consciousness exists and can't be physical. I am a Cartesian dualist.

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    4. John from Synanon‏ @ParadiseDelayed 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous

      Apologies I assumed they were extinct, I think my disagreement is pretty much axiomatic in that case

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    5. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ParadiseDelayed

      It's not axiomatic, I checked. Consciousness has the wrong kinds of properties to be physical. Physics is epistemically objective. Consciousness is epistemically subjective.

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    6. John from Synanon‏ @ParadiseDelayed 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous

      We do not yet fully understand matter or consciousness (or the broader category of awareness) so cannot say that conclusively. Concluding upon dualism requires a metaphysical leap which I wouldn't take but I don't begrudge it to anyone else

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    7. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ParadiseDelayed

      Do you understand the properties of objectivity and subjectivity? That's all that's required. Physics can be investigated by third parties. Consciousness can only be investigated in the first person. The purely naive intuition is accurate in this case.

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    8. John from Synanon‏ @ParadiseDelayed 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous

      If we can only arrive at conclusions about our own consciousness subjectively this requires us to be agnostic about AIs. How do we rule out that they are subjectively aware of their own states without ourselves have the, unattainable for us, subjective access to those systems

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    9. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ParadiseDelayed

      Because we can observe their behaviour. If it is predictable from physical models, it isn't conscious. But we don't have to be dumb about it. Find the consciousness machine in the brain. Go look to see if the AI has one. (It doesn't.)

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    10. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous @ParadiseDelayed

      It's drastically easier to look for the seat of consciousness when you know it has to escape the bounds of physics somehow. It's a very tight constraint on the search space.

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      John from Synanon‏ @ParadiseDelayed 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Alrenous

      Well yes you could call that a tight constraint! The human brain does not escape the bounds of physics. We don't have advanced AIs yet but not unreasonable to expect unpredictable behaviour

      4:54 AM - 30 Dec 2017
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        2. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ParadiseDelayed

          The human brain very plausibly escapes the bounds of physics. Physics has undecideable variables. If some of those variables are not universally undecdeable, we have a communication tunnel.

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        3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Alrenous @ParadiseDelayed

          If AI does things that are in principle unpredictable then they are literally magic. We've found pentagrams and summoned demons, even though they're not exactly pentagram shaped.

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        4. glowcoil‏ @glowcoil 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Alrenous @ParadiseDelayed

          it's really easy to construct a deterministic system that is in principle unpredictable. familiarize yourself with the halting problem, the three-body problem, rule 110, etc.

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        5. glowcoil‏ @glowcoil 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @glowcoil @Alrenous @ParadiseDelayed

          when it's as hard as it is to predict the future behavior of really simple deterministic systems, it's ridiculously unparsimonious to invoke entities entirely outside of physics and church-turing just to explain one specific genus of primates.

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