"This omelette might require breaking a few Kulaks."
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Replying to @Outsideness
I don't disagree. But don't be so sanctimonious Mr. Land, this is exactly what your position is in defending global capitalism while acknowledging its status as a monstrosity
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Deng Xiaoping initiated sustainable industrialization in China whilst massively improving agricultural conditions, so no.
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Replying to @Outsideness @RealEnverHoxha
... Suppressing markets kills a whole bunch of people for no reason. The hold-outs on that thesis are a desperate and dying breed.
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Replying to @Outsideness
It certainly does kill a whole bunch of people, but so does the creation of markets. Neither of those events happens for no reason. It's widely established in developmental economics that the more backwards a country is, the more it's state needs to step in for it to catch up.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Everywhere command-economy methods have been attempted in under-developed societies, they have been a catastrophe.
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Replying to @Outsideness
They still delivered the goods, in most places, of rapid industrialization. Whether they are the /best/ way, is certainly debatable, but it's not what's best that gets implemented, but what is materially possible.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Nope. Soviet Union, pre-Deng Communist China, Nehru's India, Pre Doi Moi Vietnamese communism, Nyere's Tanzania ... all calamitous failures. ...
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Replying to @Outsideness @RealEnverHoxha
... The people who underwent these berserk experiments all understand that.
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Replying to @Outsideness
There is intense nostalgia for the soviet union, Mao, and Nehru to my knowledge. I don't know enough about vietnam or tanzania to comment.
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When polled, Vietnamese and Chinese express the highest level of confidence in the market economy of any populations on earth.
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Replying to @MonarchMagpie @RealEnverHoxha
Farmers and peasants were the first big winners of the Deng market economy. Not hard to understand. ...
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