In the case of the USSR, it was clear that war would return to Europe soon, and they needed to be ready. Thus the process was violent, and quick.
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"This omelette might require breaking a few Kulaks."
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Replying to @Outsideness
I don't disagree. But don't be so sanctimonious Mr. Land, this is exactly what your position is in defending global capitalism while acknowledging its status as a monstrosity
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Deng Xiaoping initiated sustainable industrialization in China whilst massively improving agricultural conditions, so no.
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... Suppressing markets kills a whole bunch of people for no reason. The hold-outs on that thesis are a desperate and dying breed.
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It certainly does kill a whole bunch of people, but so does the creation of markets. Neither of those events happens for no reason. It's widely established in developmental economics that the more backwards a country is, the more it's state needs to step in for it to catch up.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Everywhere command-economy methods have been attempted in under-developed societies, they have been a catastrophe.
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They still delivered the goods, in most places, of rapid industrialization. Whether they are the /best/ way, is certainly debatable, but it's not what's best that gets implemented, but what is materially possible.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Nope. Soviet Union, pre-Deng Communist China, Nehru's India, Pre Doi Moi Vietnamese communism, Nyere's Tanzania ... all calamitous failures. ...
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Nehru didn't have a command economy, for one, two, it is an empirical fact that the soviet union did industrialize, as did most of the eastern european countries.
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They built a lot of economically dysfunctional industrial capacity. It's like fast-tracking a rust-belt.
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Up until the productivity collapse in the 80s, it did deliver the goods, maybe not as high quality as the west, but it was indeed an industrial society.
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China's command economy industrial star zones are now its basket cases. It was the Marxist version of cargo cultism. ...
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