In terms of the communist bloc, China established food security for the first time in its history under the first few year's of communist rule. But it's also the case that these developing countries could not wait a hundred years or so to complete this process.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha @Outsideness
In the case of the USSR, it was clear that war would return to Europe soon, and they needed to be ready. Thus the process was violent, and quick.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
"This omelette might require breaking a few Kulaks."
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Replying to @Outsideness
I don't disagree. But don't be so sanctimonious Mr. Land, this is exactly what your position is in defending global capitalism while acknowledging its status as a monstrosity
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Deng Xiaoping initiated sustainable industrialization in China whilst massively improving agricultural conditions, so no.
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Replying to @Outsideness @RealEnverHoxha
... Suppressing markets kills a whole bunch of people for no reason. The hold-outs on that thesis are a desperate and dying breed.
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Replying to @Outsideness
It certainly does kill a whole bunch of people, but so does the creation of markets. Neither of those events happens for no reason. It's widely established in developmental economics that the more backwards a country is, the more it's state needs to step in for it to catch up.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Everywhere command-economy methods have been attempted in under-developed societies, they have been a catastrophe.
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Replying to @Outsideness
They still delivered the goods, in most places, of rapid industrialization. Whether they are the /best/ way, is certainly debatable, but it's not what's best that gets implemented, but what is materially possible.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Nope. Soviet Union, pre-Deng Communist China, Nehru's India, Pre Doi Moi Vietnamese communism, Nyere's Tanzania ... all calamitous failures. ...
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... The people who underwent these berserk experiments all understand that.
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Replying to @Outsideness
There is intense nostalgia for the soviet union, Mao, and Nehru to my knowledge. I don't know enough about vietnam or tanzania to comment.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
When polled, Vietnamese and Chinese express the highest level of confidence in the market economy of any populations on earth.
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