This just in, war is not a material phenomena It's well established that the Tzarist regime was finished, the civil war only determined what would replace it. Given the factions involved, the choice was always between a workers-peasant revolution or domination by imperial powers
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Marx is on record strongly advising that in such cases the forces of capitalist imperialism are the carrier of progress.
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Replying to @Outsideness
When their purpose is to open up new markets, yes. But it's also a fact that the communists industrialized Russia far faster than any imperialist power would have, with their error perhaps being that they didn't integrate this production globally.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
Marxism in historical practice has just been a program for raping the peasantry in order to build steel plants.
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Replying to @Outsideness
And this is where your idealism slips through once again. This was the exact same process of primitive accumulation that occurred in classic capitalism. It's simply industrialization in practice. What does it matter what the ideological trappings are?
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
In the West there was a prior agricultural revolution, liberating surplus labor from the countryside. Marxist regimes didn't bother with that part.
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Replying to @Outsideness
This isn't a very accurate picture of either capitalist development or that of the communist bloc. In the west colonization provided much of the surplus resources, as well as changing market conditions that favored pastures over farmland freed up labor.
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In terms of the communist bloc, China established food security for the first time in its history under the first few year's of communist rule. But it's also the case that these developing countries could not wait a hundred years or so to complete this process.
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Replying to @RealEnverHoxha
"China established food security for the first time in its history under the first few year's of communist rule." -- Shortly before they starved 70 million people to death.
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Replying to @Outsideness
...by attempting to industrialize rapidly during the great leap forward. There were many policy mistakes that contributed to the size, but any shifting of agricultural resources to industry would have caused some famine.
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"... but any shifting of agricultural resources to industry would have caused some famine." -- And there we have it.
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