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    1. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu Does that hold if "survival" is abstracted to "instantiated in reality"?

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    2. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 11 Jul 2014
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      @Outsideness @nydwracu Yes? If there's a difference, you'll have to explain it. Dire apes have goals. Need to live to pursue them.

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    3. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu I'm not at all sure what "success" might be that's distinct from "instantiation in reality" (survival, building ...).

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    4. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu To succeed is to really make something happen, isn't it?

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    5. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 11 Jul 2014
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      @Outsideness @nydwracu A dire ape wants paperclips. It lives a long, paper-clip devoid life. It regrets surviving. See also: incels.

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    6. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu That's exactly why I'm saying "survival" is too narrow, that's to say, merely one aspect of "instantiation in reality".

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    7. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 11 Jul 2014
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      @Outsideness @nydwracu Then, if I understand correctly, an evil empire can lose even if it exterminates all competitors.

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    8. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu These thought experiments are hard to delimit. What if it exterminated all competitors and then suicided itself?

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    9. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 11 Jul 2014
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      @Outsideness @nydwracu Too easy? If you don't even survive it can't be success. If life wasn't worth living, it wouldn't be an evil empire.

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    10. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu What do you think of the 'predator stock' thesis -- any intelligent species will be a descendant of hunters?

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      Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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      @Alrenous @nydwracu In our case, Jim's "killer apes". There's clearly a latent herbivorous critique of actually-existing sapient life.

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        2. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 11 Jul 2014
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          @Alrenous @nydwracu It seems to me that the herbivorous critique is discredited by reality, more than the hunters are by moral theory.

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        3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 11 Jul 2014
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          @Outsideness @nydwracu Animals aren't moral agents. Meat helps brains grow. (Isegoria?) I think we're mainly liars, not killers, by now.

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