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    1. joeldavis‏ @Dick71224996 Jul 19
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @Outsideness @jmrphy

      I always call myself a Formalist, I think it describes my worldview better. As for spontaneous order, if someone is always commanding a political order into existence, how can we call that 'spontaneous'?

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    2. Parallax Optics‏ @parallaxoptics Jul 19
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      Replying to @Dick71224996 @cyborg_nomade and

      People / agents aren't the originators of commands, so much as nodes in a network of power / information flow, and the commands flow *through* them.

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    3. joeldavis‏ @Dick71224996 Jul 19
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      Replying to @parallaxoptics @cyborg_nomade and

      So, where do commands originate then? I mean, surely they don't exist until someone communicates them?

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    4. Parallax Optics‏ @parallaxoptics Jul 19
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      Replying to @Dick71224996 @cyborg_nomade and

      From an atemporal deterministic perspective, I would argue that all possible commands exist in possibility space, and that the incentive flow conjures the utterance via the passive cypher of the agent. There is no "free will" in this system, only the Outside reaching In.

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    5. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 19
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      Replying to @parallaxoptics @Dick71224996 and

      this is a good framing, indeed. an spontaneous order is the result of an evolutionary process, which is essentially schism + pruning by impersonal forces.

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    6. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 19
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @parallaxoptics and

      so that anything that really wants to reject spontaneous order has to reject Darwinism in general.

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    7. joeldavis‏ @Dick71224996 Jul 19
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @parallaxoptics and

      Well, I'm not rejecting spontaneous order in the material/natural world, I'm rejecting the notion only within the domain of linguistic performance.

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    8. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 19
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      Replying to @Dick71224996 @parallaxoptics and

      hard to see why linguistic performance (or any other human behaviour) wouldn't be embedded in - and therefore a result of - Darwinian evolution.

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    9. joeldavis‏ @Dick71224996 Jul 19
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @parallaxoptics and

      Evolution simply punishes the failure of biological systems to adapt, and to adapt is simply to stay alive right? So you might say that our linguistic performances need to be able to survive to survive, sure. But, that doesn't really give us a teleology.

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    10. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 19
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      Replying to @Dick71224996 @parallaxoptics and

      I think it gives anything the only real teleology.

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      Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 19
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @Dick71224996 and

      ... Just have to say I totally trust @cyborg_nomade to carry the can on this. Be naive to expect a quick decisive outcome. I'm confident enough to be patient.

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        2. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 19
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          Replying to @Outsideness @cyborg_nomade and

          ... If he tries the whole "so really you're a leftist" shtick I'll accept that if Darwin is, I am too.

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        3. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 19
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          Replying to @Outsideness @cyborg_nomade and

          ... Whatever Darwin is, I'm that.

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