This, much moreso than Popper’s “tolerance of intolerance”, reveals the limits to liberalism. Liberalism can only exist within a relatively united and enlightened culture. Outside of that, liberalism is impossible, even in theory.
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Replying to @foggyanabasis @jaspergregory
It was a huge mistake to pretend there are universal liberal ideals rather than viewing liberalism as a property of certain specific cultures that share important properties — namely ethno states. Multicultural societies are never liberal.
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Replying to @foggyanabasis
Maybe you have to redifine liberalism for multiculturalism in a non universalist way
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Replying to @jaspergregory
No reason to believe that anything like that is possible -- there is no historical basis for it. Given the level of reality denial by our elites, they would have to stumble into such a recipe by sheer luck. What we have is the loss of liberalism as society becomes multicultural
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Replying to @foggyanabasis @jaspergregory
Egypt was a stable society but it was a slave society. Athens had some democracy but a lot of slaves. It accepted (Greek) immigrants but only the 3rd generation could vote. There has never been a liberal multicultural society.
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Replying to @foggyanabasis
Holland built a liberal Multi-Faith democracy in the late nineteenth century. I think this is a possible model
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Replying to @jaspergregory @foggyanabasis
Given only late nineteenth century Dutch demography, all kinds of good things are possible.
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Replying to @Outsideness @jaspergregory
Also it didn't last long. Maybe a better example might be Swiss style federalism. But the different cantons of Switzerland have a lot more in common than they do apart. Show me an example of Somalis and Swedes living in peace.
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Hong Kong.
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Hong Kong somehow found a way to not import huge numbers of Somalis. Worth formalizing.
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... Coincidentally, it's a nice place.
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there's a non negligible number of Somalis in HK, although it's very limited and I suppose it's hardly permanent residents. same for Swedes.
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Let the Swedes in, and they let everyone else in.
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