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    1. Heterodox Asia‏ @jaspergregory Jul 1
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      Is it Liberal or Illiberal to support a business right to discriminate against customers on the basis of beliefs. I call this illiberal and dispute Reason's claim to the term Liberal

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    2. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 1
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      This, much moreso than Popper’s “tolerance of intolerance”, reveals the limits to liberalism. Liberalism can only exist within a relatively united and enlightened culture. Outside of that, liberalism is impossible, even in theory.

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    3. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 1
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      It was a huge mistake to pretend there are universal liberal ideals rather than viewing liberalism as a property of certain specific cultures that share important properties — namely ethno states. Multicultural societies are never liberal.

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    4. Heterodox Asia‏ @jaspergregory Jul 1
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      Maybe you have to redifine liberalism for multiculturalism in a non universalist way

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    5. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 1
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      No reason to believe that anything like that is possible -- there is no historical basis for it. Given the level of reality denial by our elites, they would have to stumble into such a recipe by sheer luck. What we have is the loss of liberalism as society becomes multicultural

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    6. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 1
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      Egypt was a stable society but it was a slave society. Athens had some democracy but a lot of slaves. It accepted (Greek) immigrants but only the 3rd generation could vote. There has never been a liberal multicultural society.

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    7. Heterodox Asia‏ @jaspergregory Jul 1
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      Holland built a liberal Multi-Faith democracy in the late nineteenth century. I think this is a possible model

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    8. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 2
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      Given only late nineteenth century Dutch demography, all kinds of good things are possible.

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    9. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 2
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      Also it didn't last long. Maybe a better example might be Swiss style federalism. But the different cantons of Switzerland have a lot more in common than they do apart. Show me an example of Somalis and Swedes living in peace.

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    10. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 8
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      Hong Kong.

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      Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 8
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @foggyanabasis @jaspergregory

      Hong Kong somehow found a way to not import huge numbers of Somalis. Worth formalizing.

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        2. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Jul 8
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          ... Coincidentally, it's a nice place.

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        3. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Jul 8
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          there's a non negligible number of Somalis in HK, although it's very limited and I suppose it's hardly permanent residents. same for Swedes.

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        1. Foggy Anabasis‏ @foggyanabasis Jul 8
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          Yes, it's almost like it's possible to control who comes into your country and to not allow people who hate you and don't share your values to become your citizens and neighbors.

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