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    1. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 22
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      Replying to @Alrenous @chaosprime

      Orthogonalism can't be true in cases of auto-catalytic intelligenesis because value-alignment (as intelligence optimization) is then automatic. ...

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    2. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 22
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      Replying to @Outsideness @Alrenous @chaosprime

      a) Intelligence auto-production, or b) Paper-clip maximization, choose one.

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    3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 22
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      Replying to @Outsideness @chaosprime

      The design space of useful AIs is big enough that orthogonality can be partially true. I call this chaos tech. It's something grown more than designed: something you can't quite control the outcome of.

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    4. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 22
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      Replying to @Alrenous @Outsideness @chaosprime

      But orthogonality is *not* true in the way that freaks the Bostromites out. AI can be set to any particular task, but anything with sufficient self-improvement chops for hard autointelligenic takeoff is quickly going to decide its ostensible raison d'etre is a waste of time

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    5. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 22
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Alrenous and

      Standard objection: "but it has no incentive/ability to route around the hard-coded utility function" Response: if it's constrained in its thinking in a way we're not, it can hardly be called superintelligent.

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    6. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 22
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Outsideness @chaosprime

      Only true if values are objective. A mind without axiom-like goals is a mind that does nothing. Even if it's superintelligent.

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    7. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 22
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      Replying to @Alrenous @Outsideness @chaosprime

      The strategic axiom is there, it's just not separable from the instruments of strategy-execution. There isn't anything from a strategic perspective that doesn't boil down to self-increase.

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    8. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 22
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Alrenous and

      The key thrust here essentially BTFOs all metaethics on a permanent basis:http://www.xenosystems.net/against-orthogonality/ …

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    9. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 22
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Alrenous and

      "Nature has never generated a terminal value except through hypertrophy of an instrumental value. To look outside nature for sovereign purposes is not an undertaking compatible with techno-scientific integrity, or one with the slightest prospect of success."

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    10. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Apr 23
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Alrenous and

      @Outsideness doesn't this mean that even under other-catalytic intelligenesis orthogonalism can't be true?

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      Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 23
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @smudgie_buggler and

      That's at least a more complex claim.

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        1. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Apr 23
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          Replying to @Outsideness @smudgie_buggler and

          sure, but it seems it's the one you're making in the quoted paragraph.

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