I don't know of a major body of critical work where class is explicitly theorized as a three-way relation between capital-as-info-system and the two classes competing for control of it in which any degree of *non-control* by either is really considered as a possible *option*
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @Outsideness and
depends on what you mean by control, is it one class subjugating the other, or something beyond that other than that it's p much postone's reading of marx (really anyone's who's taking the automatic agency of capital seriously)
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Replying to @adornofthagn @Outsideness and
I mean in that one class instrumentalizing capital as a tool of subjugation of the other means *both* must be understood as merely objects of control, capital subject to control as tool instrumentalized to the end of subjugating ruled classes
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @adornofthagn and
what'd scare ruling classes about the possible autonomy of capital or technology is that autonomous capital isn't guaranteed to be any happier being instrumentalized in this arrangement than the proletariat is to be on the sharp end of it
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @Outsideness and
i mean sure, but u still get to have all that money & power over other ppl, certainly beats other ppl having those instead
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Replying to @adornofthagn @Outsideness and
actually not necessarily. plenty of powerful people in finance do (quietly) admit the idea of markets intrinsically capable of escaping regulatory control kind of terrifies them
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @Outsideness and
oh it should, doesn't mean they'd rather give up on their status though
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Replying to @adornofthagn @Outsideness and
true but also there's no reason the plebs should necessarily share their terror, except out of a sense that there is no alternative and their fate is pre-hitched to the fate of currently-existing-capitalism-under-class-rule like it or not
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @adornofthagn and
which, granted, is endemic these days
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Replying to @schakalsynthetc @Outsideness and
while it's true that the proletariat should see crises as opportunities, this seems to suggest that there is the possibility of capitalism without class rule, and idk about that one chief
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"Class rule" by an aristocratic-plebian market-hostile coalition for pretty much the entire history of capitalism, as it has turned out. Shoving Whigs into lockers has been the main political story.
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Replying to @Outsideness @adornofthagn and
yes. ruling classes have always hated the idea that the market or the process of industrial production ever could assert autonomy from their class interest as much as they hate the idea the plebs ever could. maybe a bit more quietly, but still
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