Everyone who's getting excited about UBI should look into the Fair Tax plan. A portion of that plan has always essentially been UBI.
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Replying to @Outsideness @HbdNrx
... Realize there's going to be a huge "feature not bug" constituency on this. Gnon will punish it.
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Replying to @Outsideness @HbdNrx
Is it spitting on malthus' grave though? Doesnt it make sense for a state to cultivate its citizens for success in the broader market? Even if you believe in the state as fully subsumed to production its like... production of what exactly if not citizens?
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Replying to @realGenkiNeko @HbdNrx
First indiscriminately swap-out the citizenry for hostile dysfunctional third-world detritus, then indiscriminately subsidize it. Sounds like a plan.
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Replying to @Outsideness @HbdNrx
Well ok yes given the current configuration of things it's obviously not the plan. But in a world of neocameral sovcorps wouldn't they ultimately be competing to produce the best citizen? And wouldn't they subsidize the production of these? Of course this is far from 'universal'
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Replying to @realGenkiNeko @HbdNrx
I don't see how hand-outs are cultivating anything but dependency.
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Replying to @Outsideness @HbdNrx
those who are prone to dependency will do as they do, its a meh, but a non-trivial amount of doers and thinkers will,,, do things, no?
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Replying to @punished_marcus @HbdNrx
The resources are indiscriminately redistributed from producers who are manifestly already "doing things". ...
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Replying to @Outsideness @HbdNrx
.... idk dude, sure, i do not like taxes, in general, stealing peoples productivity, etc, etc but when one suggests ubi instead of the funding the state, my nationalism takes over and i cannot see why gates and bezos cant pay a bit more and *still* take over the world.
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UBI at the Yang level is $330,000,000,000 a month (for the US). Think we've entirely departed the "pay a bit more" story-line.
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To be clear tho, Part of his plan is eliminating “the inefficient (lol all of them?) welfare programs”. Which would be roughly $1.3 trillion I think , and a VAT on production processes so “companies can’t income money overseas”
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Replying to @Malthusian_Trad @Outsideness and
And the *adult population* (eligible for freedom dividend) is 230 million (x$100= $230,000,000,000*)
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