"... many American Jews wince when they think or talk about Israel, and many Israelis wince when they think or talk about American Jewry." https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2018/07/can-american-and-israeli-jews-stay-together-as-one-people/ … ...
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... Ironically enough, the intensity of diaspora Jewish "dual loyalty" has a strong positive correlation with American patriotism.
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Except that they attempt to redefine American patriotism as "military support for wars which benefit Israel." They're happy to "patriotically" wave the US flag for that. When patriotism is associated with "America acting in its own best interests," they call that unpatriotic
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The ones most likely to oppose America acting in its own best interests tend to be the same ones who think Netanyahu is a monster and that Israel is being embarrassingly beastly to the Palestinians.
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Neocons like David Frum, Shapiro, Kristol, Goldberg etc are opposed to America acting in its own interests. The con is to get Americans to associate patriotism intrinsically with support for Israel. American interest would be to avoid US involvement in these Middle East conflicts
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To a degree, but the US has been dragged into that poisonous briar-patch by Saudi Arabia as much as by Israel.
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... The Israeli entanglement has just had a more feel-good character to it.
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The Saudis don't need to manipulate Americans into accepting new definitions of patriotism. They have oil we need, so there is at least some grudging interest there in appeasing them. Saudis don't have an army of ethnic loyalists in the US media propagandizing for them daily tho.
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Sure, but it's also been repeatedly convenient to package a war in defense of the House of Saud as if it were more fundamentally a war in defense of "the Middle East's only democracy".
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... That's why the oil-based geopolitical hard-realists have often found the neocon hackery quite useful.
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Replying to @Outsideness @brandonadamson
“Oil based geopolitical hard realists” always sound like they’re trapped in a time warp that keeps them permanently in 1975.
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