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    1. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 7 Jun 2018
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      ... To close the loop neatly, it's only necessary to recognize that a sufficiently advanced dysgenic process will bring harsh Malthusianism back.

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    2. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 7 Jun 2018
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      ... Meta-Malthusianism has never been seriously discredited (but only swept under the carpet).

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    3. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade 8 Jun 2018
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      @EBBerger what do you think of this?

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    4. Edburg 🌴‏ @EBBerger 8 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @Outsideness @NoamJStein

      What's meta-Malthusianism

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    5. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade 8 Jun 2018
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      it seems to be the abstraction of Malthus principle of population. instead of applying directly (populations reach the carrying capacity of their environment) they apply through a loop (populations lose the ability to raise the carrying capacity as the latter rises)

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    6. Edburg 🌴‏ @EBBerger 8 Jun 2018
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      At that point haven't we really left the domain of the explicitly Malthusian question - exponential population growth vs. linear food yields - and entered the broader eco question (can the earth-system sustain planetary industrialization)?

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    7. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 8 Jun 2018
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      That isn't the Meta-Malthusian point, at all. It's that improvement in the human environment leads directly to human biological deterioration, which drags things back to the Malthusian limit. ...

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    8. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 8 Jun 2018
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      ... "Malthusian relaxation" is a near synonym for dysgenics, which indicates that the point is actually widely understood.

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    9. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 8 Jun 2018
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      ... If "humanity has a chance at all" it can only be by not converting productivity into relaxation (which is hard, in every sense). ...

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    10. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 8 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Outsideness @EBBerger and

      ... "Capitalism" stringently described could actually mean something very like that, but then people understandably get upset about it. ...

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      Outsideness‏ @Outsideness 8 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Outsideness @EBBerger and

      ... "Capitalism means that productivity improvements get Red Queened in a way that never pulls the species out of hell." -- If only, but yes, it should.

      10:23 AM - 8 Jun 2018
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        2. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade 8 Jun 2018
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          very Puritan indeed.

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        3. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade 8 Jun 2018
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          the complication is that then the lure of luxurious lifestyles would be lost.

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        2. Edburg 🌴‏ @EBBerger 8 Jun 2018
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          OK, this is much clearer to me now -- and it's this last point that I'm wanting to chew on a bit, as it suggests capitalism without, well, the decadence that accompanies it (a position I agree w/, and something v. relevant to the question of war in development)

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        3. Edburg 🌴‏ @EBBerger 8 Jun 2018
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          To try to clear a few more things up: are you removing the agricultural aspect of Malthus, and attaching the remaining populations to Richard Lynn-style assessments of dysgenic trends? (removal of the agricultural aspect seems necessary when addressing the movement beyond limits)

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