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Chief Scientist: "So in the life sciences, medicine, a HUGE percentage of the graduates coming through are female. In engineering it's more extreme the other way around. But we've got imbalances within professions we have to decide is that NECESSARILY A BAD THING?" #StridentWomenpic.twitter.com/15qugpoJ8D
Sometimes my #StridentWomen mind can't decide if inequality is *necessarily* a bad thing, but here's the numbers.
In medical sciences & health, 72% of undergrads are women. But only 33% of senior professors are women. Don't want to be strident, but that's the opposite of "huge"pic.twitter.com/28E4nARFZ8
But the Chief Scientist is shaking so many lady hands, that must mean progress has been made? #StridentWomen always bringing the mood down, going public after being told to stay silent on sexual harassment & "treat everybody as a potential attacker"https://www.theage.com.au/national/senior-surgeon-gabrielle-mcmullin-stands-by-advice-for-female-doctors-to-stay-silent-on-sex-abuse-20150307-13xzog.html …
The Chief Scientist urges us to "look at the numbers" and stop being #StridentWomen. Here's more numbers: half of 3,500 surgeons surveyed have experienced harassment & bullying. 1 in 3 women have been sexually harassed. Keep telling those progress stories!https://www.smh.com.au/national/bullying-endemic-among-surgeons-but-victims-too-scared-to-speak-up-report-finds-20150909-gjiuxl.html …
Wait a minute - all that rife harassment & discrimination was in 2015. So much progress since then! Right?
By 2018, 20% of surgeons have failed to complete compulsory anti-sexual harassment training implemented to address 2015 findings. #StridentWomenhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-09/one-fifth-of-surgeons-yet-to-complete-online-harassment-training/9314650 …
Okay that's medicine. The Chief Scientist mentioned life sciences too. Yep, they have gender parity in junior roles but as I showed earlier, less than one third of senior leaders are women. Other #StridentWomen research shows same inequity in industry https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/09/20/why-too-few-women-life-sciences-bad-for-business/crkrbriWLw2IKJMoIzCjgI/story.html …
So that's the story of numbers. Senior White men may want women to focus on progress, but that's not our narrative. #StridentWomen can & do share triumphs, but we should be free to talk about discrimination without the most influential scientist in the country being disparaging.pic.twitter.com/lKXnYtyXzp
Exactly....dismissing one discipline cause it's worse in another isn't equity or helpful..
And he overlooks all of the various forms of discrimination that different groups of women & femmes encounter in different subfields, including life sciences, medicine and health. His office manages these data and I know for a fact he's seen the data & should know better.
Yes this is frustrating as
tbf he said graduates not professors. Having seen him in action more than once, he does actually mingle with the junior researchers not just the higher ups. But as you're rightly pointing out, focussing on graduate numbers misdirects from downstream issues in the leaky pipeline.
And, we see that in fields with higher ratios of women at graduate level like Biology the relative retention rate is poorer than fields with lower ratios like Engineering and Physics.
Serious question: What do each of those categories look like over time? If the ratios of levels on the left have been static for a while, then ratios on the right indicate things are still bad. If ratios have only recently widened, then may just need to wait? 1/2 ..
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