But many applicants are told NOT to include this type of thing. If it really matters then you should ask them.
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Agreed, I was being a bit sarcastic.
I definitely wouldn't advise people to put it on their CV but maybe work it into a sentence in the essay in regards to work ethic and experience.2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @christineliuart @NYCuratrix
I put ALL my customer service experience on my CV throughout my early career. Used it to get my first research leadership role in a science organisation. Used examples of my management, interpersonal & conflict solving skills working as waitress, retail & in delicatessen/ seafood
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I'm a first-gen, poor, working class migrant
#WOC & these roles were the way I wholly supported myself through university, without family help given our financial position. I'm proud of this work & the skills gained helped my career development, including my path as a scientist.2 replies 4 retweets 65 likes -
Replying to @OtherSociology @christineliuart
I hear you. I worked retail and other minimum wage jobs through HS and college, too. But I think many now are getting advice not to share that. And the honest truth is that sometimes it’s good and sometimes it’s bad. Hard to give universal guidance.
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Replying to @NYCuratrix @christineliuart
If students are getting this advice, I would question where it comes from and to what aim. The fact is that few students from underprivileged backgrounds can afford to do unpaid internships or have connections to get into early research programs to have "pure science" experience
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I was definitely told to take anything not related to my field off my CV even other research experiences. Any part time jobs I held or leadership positions I was told to remove as well.
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Grrr this makes me really angry! If you can share this - was it careers advice workers at your university or senior academics/ supervisors or the job advertisers/recruiters saying this? The gall of telling ECR to omit part-time jobs & leadership roles from their CV!
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Basically they told me my cv was too long and that stuff was irrelevant. If I added back part time jobs and non micro related research I’d have a solid extra 2-3 pages. I held 2 jobs at all times in undergrad.
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1/ There's a lot here to unpack and thanks for sharing! First, yes, CVs should be brief, but there are ways to list non-academic roles without cutting altogether. E.g. Under management section with role only, or listing a selection & then pointing to a website for more detail.
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2/ Not speaking to your personal situation of course, but generally having multiple jobs in undergrad speaks to financial demands on students. Advisors need to recognise how important such work is to students & nurture ability to juggle conflicting demands as a marketable skill.
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That was def my situation. I was on work study and then because they didn’t give enough hours to cover expenses, I had another job. After junior year luckily the second jobs were always research. But I’ve been an RA, a Cater Waiter, a grocery store cashier, animal shelter worker
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Thanks for this background about your very interesting career path! I worked throughout including my PhD, which many students need to do. My research roles only started as a postgrad - teaching & research assistant. We do students a disservice with crappy job application advice.
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