Having a long standing, formal spiritual practice like meditation does make you more prepared and more likely to have an awakening. But I also know people who've had various awakenings through: - psychedelics - tantric practices - reading a profound book - help of a guru Etc.
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Having a framework does seem to be helpful for doing the work, otherwise the "I am insane" period post-awakening can last longer and be more damaging. It also seems that dissolving the framework is a good idea after the work is done, so it doesn't turn into dogma.
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Don't forget the "I am insane" period *before* awakening. Without a map, it's really easy to get stuck there. Potentially for the rest of your life.
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How's your experience of dissolving the framework been? I can't even bring myself to respect any framework to begin with, so I wouldn't even know where to start... I'm sure it's easy to slip into when the results come, though - judging by every enlightened person I know.
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Really good point about the "I am insane" period before awakening. The potential to get lost there if going without a map is maybe even greater than post-awakening, because there is less clarity and one is more prone to delusion.
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I am on some sort of cusp now, I think. I have normal days, and days where I identify as much with my sole or any other sense object (don't know why the sole, but it's really persistent) as with any "normal" sense of self.
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If I didn't know this was completely normal, I can guess it might throw me for a loop or five.
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Yeah, the depersonalization is one of the scarier side effects. It still gets me.
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Is there room for interpretation, in your experience? When is depersonalisation a direct result of insight into not-self, impermanence, and when is it clinical/pathological issues such as DP/DR? Open ended question, you don’t have to answer. I’m just ‘spit-balling’, as they say.
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I'm not a clinician, or anything like one. However, when I've worked with people with actual DP/DR, I was able to show them that they were privileging the negative parts of awakening, and things went better when they privileged the positive parts.
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Right, side effect is not the right term. More like a direct effect / normal occurence.
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That’s really interesting!
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