I hate to fly in the face of what a lot of smart people think (ok, not really) but nothing I've ever seen or read from Jiddu Krishnamurti made any sense whatsoever, or was profound in the least.
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Yeah, the other version (same thing, differently stated) is realizing "I'm just the witness". Which you get seems to depend on your tradition/previous learning/framing. Or that's my understanding, I am (probably) willing to defer. But awakening is not enlightenment.
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Ian, you are very welcome to stick your dick into the blender of that discussion for as long as you can stand it. I’ll save you a trip to the ER - people define those terms differently and idiosyncratically. So you’ll just end up chasing your tail.
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My favourite is when people get angry because you use the "wrong" definition, as if this is how language works in any other modality.
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Very serious people burn other people alive or blow them up over over the details of such religious definitions. And have for thousands of years.
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