I hate to fly in the face of what a lot of smart people think (ok, not really) but nothing I've ever seen or read from Jiddu Krishnamurti made any sense whatsoever, or was profound in the least.
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Excellent clarification. Thank you sir.
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As for the go-to definition of classic awakening, the short version is that you realize that there’s no such thing inside you as a self. There’s much more after that, but that’s considered the basic “qualification.” (And, yes, I’m aware of all that’s problematic @ that def.)
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Yeah, the other version (same thing, differently stated) is realizing "I'm just the witness". Which you get seems to depend on your tradition/previous learning/framing. Or that's my understanding, I am (probably) willing to defer. But awakening is not enlightenment.
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Ian, you are very welcome to stick your dick into the blender of that discussion for as long as you can stand it. I’ll save you a trip to the ER - people define those terms differently and idiosyncratically. So you’ll just end up chasing your tail.
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My favourite is when people get angry because you use the "wrong" definition, as if this is how language works in any other modality.
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Very serious people burn other people alive or blow them up over over the details of such religious definitions. And have for thousands of years.
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One of the things I want to write about is why, while strictly speaking true, "there is nothing you can do" is terrible fucking advice and exactly the wrong thing to say to most people. Just like "do as thou will is the whole of the law". Malpractice, both of them.
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“There’s nothing you can do” is perfectly correct advice for the last second before awakening. Just let go into it. Before that moment, however, there may be a hell of a lot you need to do.
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