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Michael W. Taft
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Michael W. Taft

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🦇 Sentient comet 💫 Meditation freak 🙏🏻 Teacher 🍄 Author 🎙Podcaster 📚 SF nerd 🤖 Serial comma enthusiast 🌏 Raised by wolves 🐺 Bad influence 🧝🏻‍♂️

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    Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Jun 27

    Ethical question arising for me: do you teach meditation to people whose politics you find deeply repugnant? WDYT @jhalifax @ShinzenYoung @KennethFolk @Culadasa (the earlier post of this I accidentally erased.)

    8:53 AM - 27 Jun 2018 from Richmond, CA
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    • Mi'sen Apostol Jody⚡️ Joan Halifax
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      2. Joan Halifax‏ @jhalifax Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @ShinzenYoung and

        yes......... along with ethics!

        2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
      3. Jody ⚡️‏ @Kalieezchild Jun 27
        Replying to @jhalifax @OortCloudAtlas and

        Everybody wants the same exact thing: ease and security for them and theirs. The difference is in what constitutes ease and security. Ethics operates within that definition more than it determines it. Thus, it will be probably be difficult to change their worldview with ethics.

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      4. Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Jun 27
        Replying to @Kalieezchild @jhalifax and

        Actually there’s a third distinction which is what constitutes “us” versus “them” in their eyes.

        5 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Jared Janes‏ @jaredjanes Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @Kalieezchild and

        Agreed, luckily philosophical development & spiritual development both work to expand the definition of 'us'.

        2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      6. Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Jun 27
        Replying to @jaredjanes @Kalieezchild and

        Yes, expanding the definition of "we" to include all beings is the point.

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Wiseass Elder‏ @WullowStill Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Politics is inherently repugnant. It is a tar pit of delusion.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Jun 27
        Replying to @WullowStill @jhalifax and

        Yes, and yet we live with other beings in a world of interactions, and those interactions include politics, beliefs, behaviors, systems, power, control, and much more. And we have to navigate all that skillfully somehow.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      1. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Yes, but I won't bake them cakes.

        0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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      2. Jared Janes‏ @jaredjanes Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        I see spiritual progress on whole leading to more compassion & service; improving our overall ability to listen, collaborate & face our societal challenges more skillfully.

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      2. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh Jun 28
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        There's probably actually a technical question buried here. What emphasis will make them worse, what emphasis better? There seem to be types of insight that can, in certain circumstances, actually reduce sympathy and so on + make people fare more effective.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh Jun 28
        Replying to @iwelsh @OortCloudAtlas and

        and, of course, some form of expanding Metta seems like a good idea in most such cases.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Jun 28
        Replying to @iwelsh @OortCloudAtlas and

        Funny. I've noticed advanced Buddhist meditators tend heavily towards liberal/centrist politics, whereas a lot of the other disciplines seem to trend towards extreme right/left. Probably purely anecdotal, but weirdly common in my sample.

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      1. danielmingram‏ @danielmingram Jun 28
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Heck, I have voted for people whose politics I find deeply repugnant.

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      1. albert grabb‏ @algrab Jun 30
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Most meditation practiced and taught "around here" is thought to often result in more vagal tone or parasympathetic activity in the practitioner. And, since vagal tone is associated with prosociality I say "go for it". Just make sure you don't end up dinging your own vagus.

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      1. Marie Ramos‏ @mriramos Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Help to point them to the questions they are not asking.

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      1. Michael J. Kimball‏ @ethnowise Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        Yes. You can't and shouldn't presume to know what's under the hood (so to speak).

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      1. Michael Osofsky‏ @mosofsky Jul 2
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        If Aṅgulimāla, the killer of 1000 people deserved to learn meditation, why wouldn’t people who meerly think differently deserve? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aṅgulimāla 

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      1. Torei‏ @NotKnowing0 Jun 27
        Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @jhalifax and

        What are you defining as repugnant? I think we can all agree on the repugnancy of the far right. But what about the far left? What about marxists? Antifa? Where do teachers stand on the position of left wing totalitarians? The Buddhist community needs to address far left issue.

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