Cloud is bad. From what I’ve seen: -Non limit up b is the same as smash 4 -Limit goes away after 15 seconds -Up air doesnt hit grounded opponents -Dair has more lag -Nair is smaller FUCKCLOUDMOVEMENT
He's probably still gonna be better than most of the non fluent archetypes that exist in smash, it just sounds like he'll be like...an upper mid tier(?) or so this time around
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I think he’s still going to be a top tier. Just either on the bottom or high tier. His hitboxes were already ridiculous so Sakurai toning them down and making him much less threatening with that and limit was needed without making him piss weak or nerfed to the ground.
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I think the limit change is low key huge, can't threaten with LCS for extended periods of time/ weakens his recovery/can't sit on limit for the movement buff, definitely the biggest nerf of them all, just can't tell yet without seeing the power level of the game overall
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