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for example: one of the most prolific commentators on lobsters is of the opinion, basically, that everyone one the internet should be willing to endure unlimited discomfort and that not doing so is a sign that one is unfit and unworthy, and should basically be culled
this isn't an exaggeration; in the thread about gallant's departure, he talks about how he's worried that "there are people who will never feel safe, at least not without massive sacrifices from the community, including systematic topic avoidance".
his conclusion here is that those people should not be accommodated on any forum, UNLESS the topics they want to avoid are "politics", which he refuses to define. that sucks! in fact lots of people _on lobsters_ think it sucks. BUT...
because he is also a frequent, and fairly competent, technical contributor, and because he is willing to write mostly coherent walls of text to support this ridiculous position, he's not only accepted but celebrated. even when he says and supports blatantly transphobic shit.
he was able to exploit the internal heuristics of the community, and in lieu of a strong guiding force, the community embraced those heuristics and re-oriented themselves around him and his fucked up opinions about moderation and what makes a good space.
what this means is that, while I did find the technical discussion on the site pretty good, I don't find it worthwhile to post there, because I'm interested in technology that affects humans, so half my posts are "politics" and thus attract low quality discussion and shunning.
for instance, in what is perhaps my most read blog post, i mention that "real name" policies can be harmful to transgender people, among other groups. that was, before i deleted my account, my most flagged post, despite being relatively uncontroversial otherwise.
anyway what i'm saying is: you have to set a bright line at the start that excludes people who are axiomatically unwilling to give a shit about anyone else in the community, or else that axiom will become deeply entrenched in the community ethos.
lines, https://llllllll.co/ , is a wonderful example of this. it is a community that grew entirely organically, but the people who run it a) are themselves wonderful people and b) are extremely clear that the community is meant to be a safe and welcoming space, and enforce that
this by no means limits the quality of technical, political, or artistic discussion that is had there; indeed, i learned more about DSP, music, and frankly life while browsing lines than i ever learned about FOSS, maths, or hardware on Lobsters.
and it makes me so sad! Lobsters is the kind of space I desperately wanted as a young engineer and eager undergrad: technical, nitty-gritty, and very serious, without being grating. it's run by people i deeply admire and, frankly, trust. but it didn't want me, or people like me.
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