The state of saṃvega or existential shock is too often conflated with maladaptive mood and catatonia. The fourth sight invokes pasāda, a serene confidence that enables the wayfaring necessary for liberation.
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i don't disagree about this
but I will always champion those who look for non-renunciative means to find liberation.
Such championing doesn't diminish or occlude my appreciation and respect for those who follow more renunciative styles.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Likewise. Liberation is the goal, regardless of which path, renunciative and non-renunciative alike. To compound suffering with further suffering is the goal of neither.
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What does liberation mean actually? Is it freedom from negative emotions? Some bird’s eye view insight that’s independent of emotions? Eternal bliss and joy? Something completely different?
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In the broadest sense, liberation is freedom from suffering, dissatisfaction, unease.
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How exactly is that supposed to work? When people I love are sick, dying, or suicidal then sure as hell it’s gonna make me feel uneasy even if I know deep down inside it’s all a role in cosmic game.
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One way it *might* work is there's a sense of not fighting against impermanence. That can take up a lot of "space" inside, and require a lot of energy, psychologically speaking.
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Replying to @Timber_22 @made_in_cosmos and
A narrative can be running, subconsciously, that a loved one should not be dying [let's bracket off covid for a sec; quick, pretend its 2019 for the sake of this one point] and there's this psychic energy that has to be recruited into that fight against how things are
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Replying to @Timber_22 @made_in_cosmos and
Paradoxically, when we can make some kind of peace-accord with Impermanence, that can allow us to re-allocate inner (even subconscious) resources, which opens up more opportunities to show up for others in ways like what
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Yes, accepting impermanence sounds like something totally different than freedom from suffering. The wisest people I know are still people. They get tired, hungry, frustrated, impatient. They have kids they care deeply about.
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Wisdom doesn't exclude tiredness or hunger or caring. One can still be a person and experience freedom from suffering.
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If my kid was dying and you said liberation would save me from pain, I wouldn’t want the tiniest piece of what you’re selling. I want to dig deep down to the very bottom of my suffering, surrender to it, and see if there’s any peace in the middle of that.
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I think this is one of the most inspiring and brave and human things that can be said about these huge, great matters of life, death and love.
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