there maybe other pleasure systems i am not familiar with but there is neuroanatomical basis for pleasure to arise independently of activity of SEEKING
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
Do you think we can transcend this pleasure in our practice as we transcend suffering or desire?
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i don't know if seeking (lower case here because it's outside of a scientific context) ends, I know I have not fully investigated: i still get a sense of seeking for the stream of experience and a sense it maybe extra seeking maybe also what is referred to as tanha
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i've greatly reduced grosser seeking/thirst/motivated interest, so i know this is a dimension it maybe possible to move further along
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i don't think it's possible to transcend hedonic tone i think it's possible to transcend attachment to, seeking of, hedonic tone
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
Can you expand on why you dont think it's possible to transcend hedonistic tone? Initial reaction, I feel like I disagree.
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Replying to @Cantide1 @QiaochuYuan
by transcend hedonic tone i would mean, the end of perceptions of pleasurable, neutral, displeasurable i think they are too tied in with basic perception but i've transformed sever pain which I wanted to end into... still unpleasant but something which I'd surrendered to
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
I've done this as well. But I disagree, I think we can totally see stimulus in a completely neutral manner, totally dispassionate, pain or pleasure. I've done it and it is written about a lot. Methinks you need to go deeper into the Jhanas, friend.
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Sometimes called a "ninth jhāna," nirodha samāpatti entails the complete suspension of hedonic tone and perceptual cognition. The meditator in this state appears comatose from an outside observer's perspective. From inside, there is absolutely no content whatsoever.
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Yes. Perfect. But in an empty state..what are you other than a 'useless'(my perception) passive observer? You might as well not even exist. Is this the nature of the Godhead?
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No observation/observer occurs in such an "empty state," which is nonetheless an ideal spearhead for radical transmutation of consciousness, as upon dropping back into the "sphere of nothingness" from nirodha, the mind undergoes an unprecedented cleansing of defilements.
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This implies an anchor in this state if being as well as transformation of this current state. I refer to transcendence. The true nature of the Godhead itself.
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As above so below. Ultimate realization is dispassionate observation. We are models of the Godhead. Dukkha is a fractal phenomena. Our universe is the result of a momentary lapse in concentration of God, creating an entire cosmos that is a reflection of it's own creator
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