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    1. x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 18
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      "One who is not awake does not understand the non-existence of a sense-object seen in a dream." Vasubandhu

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    2. Misha Rogov‏ @MishaRogov Feb 19
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      I am confused with this “it is not so”. They are, in fact, devoid of external objects. Why then it is denied? Or it is a typo?

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    3. x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 19
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      Vasubandhu alternates between two voices in this text. While the transitions are unmarked in the Sanskrit, Tibetan, and Chinese manuscripts, it can be inferred that this is the voice of the objector/opponent, likely functioning as "the devil's advocate" in an inner monologue.

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    4. Misha Rogov‏ @MishaRogov Feb 19
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      What if it is just an error of the translator (which happens all the time)? “Therefore, it _is_ so that all referential objectifications of external objects are, as is the case in a dream, [actually] devoid of external objects.” Doesn’t it sound correct in the overall context?

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    5. x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 19
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      Errors are always possible. However, I'm looking at the Sanskrit, which uses the negative marker "na" (tasmān na svapna ivārthopalabdhiḥ sarvā nirarthikā), in which case the negation in Silk's translation seems correct and is consistent with the devil's advocate position.

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    6. x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 19
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      Keep in mind that just prior, it was stated, "But that is not how it is," from the Sanskrit na caivam bhavati. The devil's advocate lays out the premises but states they are *not* the case, therefore the conclusion does *not* follow.

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      x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 19
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      The voice shifts back in the next segment ("Just so..."), which contains Vasubandhu's rebuttal.

      7:28 AM - 19 Feb 2020
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        2. Misha Rogov‏ @MishaRogov Feb 19
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          I think this segment should be skipped when quoting, for it creates a confusion. I composed a shorter version from your tweets: https://t.me/Yogacara/202  Seems fine to me now :)

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        3. x.noaidi‏ @NoaidiX Feb 19
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          Most translations I’ve seen put something like [objection] in brackets to help clarify. I ought to have included that, but character limits on Twitter can be troublesome, especially with longer passages that get broken up into decontextualized, disjointed segments.

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