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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected chief neoliberal shill of 2018. Occasionally posts about rabbits.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      1/Here are my thoughts about whether science is slowing down, what that means, and what we can do about it. @patrickc and @michael_nielsen recently wrote an Atlantic article claiming that science is slowing down:https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/diminishing-returns-science/575665/?utm_source=feed …

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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      Noah Smith Retweeted David Cox

      2/This article has been receiving pushback from scientists, which ishardly surprising...https://twitter.com/neurobongo/status/1063879812773748737 …

      Noah Smith added,

      David Cox @neurobongo
      The referenced article is very bad and the person who wrote it should feel bad about themselves. https://twitter.com/d_samorodnitsky/status/1063451480252919811 …
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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      3/So, let's take a look at the Atlantic article's methodology. The authors surveyed a bunch of scientists and asked them to rank Nobel-winning discoveries in their field by importance. The result: a flat or even declining rate of "important" discoveries.pic.twitter.com/SkebX7FsMs

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      4/There are at least two big problems I see with this methodology. The first is that Nobel Prizes are rate-limited - there can only be up to 3 per year, usually for just one or two discoveries.

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      5/Suppose scientific progress were actually accelerating. That doesn't necessarily mean you'd see an increasing *level* of importance for the Nobel-winning discoveries. You might just see an increasing *number* of important discoveries, many of which couldn't win Nobels.

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      6/Accelerating progress would therefore generate a backlog of Nobel-worthy discoveries, causing the Nobel committee to award prizes to older and older discoveries. Interestingly, the committee *has* been awarding prizes to older and older discoveries, as the article notes!pic.twitter.com/KyRwbNTDdl

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    7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      7/The authors interpret the paucity of prizes for discoveries since 1990 as evidence of declining #'s of important discoveries. But it could indicate the committee scrambling to award prizes to a huge # of important discoveries before the discoverers die (and become ineligible)!

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

      8/The second methodological problem is that a scientific discovery's actual, real importance is not fixed in time. New discoveries build on old ones. Each new discovery makes the old discoveries it's based on grow in actual importance.

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          9/Consider all the recent discoveries that MIGHT lead to great things, or MIGHT be relatively dead-endish. Will CRISPR allow ubiquitous safe genetic engineering? Or will it be a mostly useless tool due to massive side effects? We don't know yet.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          10/EVEN IF scientists are capable of accurately assessing a discovery's importance, graphs of importance vs. time are naturally biased against recent discoveries. It'll be decades before we know what discoveries from the 2010s really changed the world.

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        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          11/So I believe the Atlantic article's methodology is deeply flawed. But that said, I believe their conclusion is probably true - at least, in specific fields. Because we have other evidence.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-05-02/maybe-this-is-as-good-as-innovation-gets …

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          12/A recent paper by Bloom, Jones, Van Reenen, and Webb looks at specific scientific fields, and tries to measure research productivity - i.e., discoveries per researcher - for each one. The find declining productivity in each field. https://web.stanford.edu/~chadj/IdeaPF.pdf …

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        6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          13/The authors are careful. They use a variety of measures of discoveries. Real measures like Moore's Law, crop yields, drug discoveries, etc. Measures of company performance in various fields, patents, etc. All measures show slowing productivity-per-researcher in all fields.

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        7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          14/Now, does falling research productivity mean science as a whole is slowing down? Or that our investment in science has become uneconomical? NO. It does not! Read this post: https://www.bradford-delong.com/2018/08/nicholas-bloom-stanford-university-and-nber-john-van-reenen-mit-and-nber-charles-i-jones-stanford-university-and-nber-mich.html …

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        8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          15/So why DO we care about slowing within-field productivity in scientific fields? Because it's a sign that we need to actively search for new fields to open up.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-05/scientists-do-too-much-research-on-the-old-instead-of-the-new …

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        9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          16/Science doesn't progress by simply doing more of the stuff that worked in the past. It progresses by branching out in new directions. AI. Neurotech and biomechanical engineering. Genetic engineering. etc. Fields that were science fiction 50 years ago.

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        10. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          17/And that means that our granting agencies, the NIH and the NSF, need: 1) More funding rather than less 2) More money allocated to lesser-known institutions, and more for up-and-coming researchers rather than established ones.

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        11. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018

          18/Whether we're seeing "the end of science" is a question that will never be answered. But each specific line of inquiry eventually sees diminishing returns, so we need to always be opening up new lines. (end)

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        2. Buffy's Blog‏ @BuffyBlogs 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          And to this point, both funding and self-selection of research has leaned away from "pure theory" in favor of "applied solutions," creating a deficit of that theory to build on going forward. This is a really serious problem....

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @BuffyBlogs

          That's interesting. I always thought that theory didn't need a lot of funding...all you really need are some smart people sitting around thinking about stuff and maybe playing with some computer models.

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        4. Buffy's Blog‏ @BuffyBlogs 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          *cough* particle physics *cough*

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @BuffyBlogs

          Oh, I see, you mean TESTING basic theories... ;-) I hate to say this, but the real problem with particle physics is that new stuff is so high-energy that there's not much we can use it for.

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        6. Buffy's Blog‏ @BuffyBlogs 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Nonono. You need high-energy to take it apart and understand it. The actual applications quite likely won't need to do that, just understand better how it all works inside!

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        7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @BuffyBlogs

          Hmm. What technologies have we gotten from QED and QCD so far? The PET scan is the only one I can think of.

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        8. Buffy's Blog‏ @BuffyBlogs 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Most semi-conductor advances these days require them! This is both in scaling down to (now) 5nm, but also all the quantum-bit technology.

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        9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @BuffyBlogs

          Really? What do you need them for that you can't just do with QM?

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        2. dennis‏ @bayes_baes 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I see this as the biggest issue. It’s easy to look back on past discoveries as significant when we see their impact with 20/20 vision and concrete evidence.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @bayes_baes

          yup

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