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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 31

    I think flowery writing styles are inherently polarizing. If you're primed to believe the thesis, the writing sounds like poetry. If you're primed to disagree, it sounds like schlock.

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      2. Ben‏ @amatueradult Oct 31
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Is this what you tell your editor at Bloomberg? 😉

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 31
        Replying to @amatueradult

        You will notice that I almost never attempt this style. 😊

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      1. Alan Smithee‏ @AlanSmi79387612 Oct 31
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I really like "literary" academic writing and journalism when I think it works and I hate it when I think it doesn't, but it doesn't map on to agree / disagree. I dislike Foucault, but he had great prose. American academics who try to write like him can't pull it off.

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      1. Scott William‏ @SWM_in_SEA Oct 31
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        “One should always be drunk. That’s all that matters…But with what? With wine, with poetry, or with virtue, as you chose. But get drunk.” —Charles Baudelaire

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      2. gaelofdarkness‏ @gaelofdarkness Oct 31
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        I would have agreed in the past, but when I bring up basic issues from science or policy (in plain English) that someone doesn't like - I get accused of plamas (Irish word, basically means "flowery schlock") or worse, "having notions" (roughly means speaking above my station).

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      3. gaelofdarkness‏ @gaelofdarkness Oct 31
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        I've spent enough time on the debate circuit to know all too well that there's a difference between sweet sounding sophistry and prose designed to enhance the substance of the argument instead of hiding it. I've found that most people can too - if they actually think about an

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      4. gaelofdarkness‏ @gaelofdarkness Oct 31
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        argument critically. Even just prompting someone with a couple questions over a drink can make people seriously change their opinions on speakers - the problem is many people are encouraged NOT to think critically. In which case, the style matters a lot less than affiliation.

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      5. gaelofdarkness‏ @gaelofdarkness Oct 31
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        Caveat There is such a thing as just terrible flowery language. If you don't know how to use a style effectively, don't use it. No shame in knowing one's limits. Also, not every style of writing/speaking is appropriate for every topic. There have definitely been some bad examples

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      1. Sharon Wong‏ @sharonw Oct 31
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        I can't tell if you're subtweeting anyone in particular with this, but I think I agree...?

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      1. P.R.O.H.B.C.23‏ @prohbc23 Oct 31
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        Unless you hate flowery prose as a matter of principle...

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      1. DonnieDollHands‏ @DonnieDollHands Oct 31
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        But I’m writing a paper on the Vestment Clause right now and I’m arguing that the framers would be HORRIFIED to see what trump is doing with their vague Article II 🤣

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