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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 30

    In 1898, the Supreme Court ruled that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant that someone is required to obey U.S. law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark … Illegal immigrants ARE required to obey U.S. law, thus, children of illegal immigrants born on U.S. soil are citizens.pic.twitter.com/KbI2h0ITEL

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      2. Randall Kopchak‏ @RandallKopchak Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        But in that case, weren't the people here legally? Has the idea that it would apply to illegals equally been testing at the court yet?

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 30
        Replying to @RandallKopchak

        Obviously the court can choose to overturn any precedent at any time. But unless you think illegal immigrants are exempt from U.S. law, the precedent is clear.

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      2. James Geluso‏ @atlemar Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Is it also why it means people born outside the US but in territories controlled by the US (eg John McCain) are citizens?

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      3. Eric Orr‏ @Errorreporrt Oct 30
        Replying to @atlemar @Noahpinion

        OK yes and no. The Insular Cases came about after the US found itself in possession of former Spanish colonial possessions and they needed to find a way to deny those people citizenship. Jus Soli was obviously the law so they just made some BS distinctions on what is the US.

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      4. Eric Orr‏ @Errorreporrt Oct 30
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        The mental gymnastics required because there was no way in hell the court was going to admit that the constitution required that the children of 10 million Phillapinos were citizens at birth.

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      5. Eric Orr‏ @Errorreporrt Oct 30
        Replying to @Errorreporrt @atlemar @Noahpinion

        The worst part is that there is a bunch of American Samoan people who are not citizens of the US still because these crazy racist SCOTUS decisions are still good law.

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      1. Eric Orr‏ @Errorreporrt Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        The crazy racist gobbledygook that is the related "Insular Cases" would have been unnecessary. There they had to figure out a way that defined places like Puerto Rico as not US soil. This crazy distinction is still settled law btw.

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      1. Andy Bradford‏ @Andysmaps Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Therefore, the only way to exempt the children of immigrants from citizenship is to give all immigrants diplomatic immunity? That oughta be popular.

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      2. Fava Bean‏ @Fava Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I'm not a lawyer or constitutional scholar, but the language seems designed to exclude only the staff of embassies and consulates who, through diplomatic immunity, are NOT subject to US law.

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      2. Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Fluff‏ @FluffyLib Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        The EO doesn't need to be constitutional of Trump can get 5/9 Justices to agree that it is

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      1. Robert Teel‏ @rteel8 Oct 30
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        That is a gross simplification of the precedent. Please stick to economics

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      1. Phoenix34‏ @Phoenix3413 Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Wrong

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      1. Phoenix34‏ @Phoenix3413 Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Also, wasn’t intended that way. Learn something:pic.twitter.com/Nfq6R6ImM0

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      1. Phoenix34‏ @Phoenix3413 Oct 30
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Incorrect. But, you’re not a lawyer. So, I’m not surprised.

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      1. CJS‏ @SEASolicitorCJS Oct 30
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        Here is the (in my opinion unlikely) legal worst-case scenario here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1057214626075680768.html … Though note she kind of glides over the major issue of whether an Act of Congress would be required, or if an Exec. Order could suffice (I haven't seen anyone serious argue for the EO).

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