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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      Noah Smith Retweeted NME

      1/I'm thinking about the end of Apu in the context of the national debates on immigration and diversity.https://twitter.com/NME/status/1055902086796316672 …

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      NMEVerified account @NME
      ‘The Simpsons’ producer confirms Apu is being written out of show following controversy http://fal.cn/SPZn  pic.twitter.com/s34IUDUtqs
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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      2/Apu's presence in Springfield represented a basic reality of America in the late 20th and early 21st century: the presence of nonwhite immigrants.

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      3/As Tomas Jimenez writes in "The Other Side of Assimilation", for my generation, immigrants from India, China, Mexico, and many other countries aren't strange or foreign. On the contrary, they're a fixture.https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Assimilation-Immigrants-Changing/dp/0520295706 …

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      4/But that America I grew up with is fundamentally ephemeral. The kids of immigrants don't retain their parents' culture. They merge into the local culture (and, as Jimenez documents, the local culture changes to reflect their influence).

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      5/Simpsons character don't change. But real people, and real communities, do. So a character who once represented the diversity that immigrants brought to American towns now represents a stereotype of Indian-Americans as "permanent foreigners".

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      6/As the children and grandchildren of each wave of immigrants become fully incorporated into American society, being conflated with their immigrant ancestors can lead to persistent racial divisions...which is probably why the character began to upset people as the years went on.

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          7/ At the same time, the advent of Trumpism, and the capture of the GOP by anti-immigrant, anti-diversity forces, will significantly curtail the immigration that defined the America I grew up in.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          8/Whether this will speed the integration/assimilation of the descendants of recent immigrants, or lead to permanent racial divisions, remains to be seen.

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        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          9/But both the Trumpians and the opponents of permanent-foreigner stereotypes seem to agree on one thing: the America of the 1990s and 2000s must end.

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          10/The end of Apu symbolizes the end of that ephemeral, transitory, beautiful, immigrant-defined America. Where we go from now - toward full and equal incorporation of the descendants of immigrants, or toward exclusionary white supremacy - remains to be seen. (end)

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        2. Jenna Mathias‏ @jennarmathias Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I don’t necessarily agree. Many of the young Indians I know repeat the same tropes of their university colleagues re: offense/cultural appropriation. I don’t think it’s a lack of character evolution but a desire to fit in/conform with theories of cultural appropriation/offense

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        3. Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D., M.S.‏ @Neoavatara Oct 27
          Replying to @jennarmathias @Noahpinion

          Yeah, as an Indian American who w born here and grew up here... I totally disagree with that. It is a political angle now than cultural. In fact... Most Indians I know had no problem with Apu... And I'm talking about people in my generation, not my parents.

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        4. Jenna Mathias‏ @jennarmathias Oct 27
          Replying to @Neoavatara @Noahpinion

          I’m too an Indian American. My uncle was born and raised and here and loves Apu (and the Simpson’s overall). Do you remember when they made “Outsourced” a TV show?? We LOVED it. Or Kelly from the office? 😂

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        5. Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D., M.S.‏ @Neoavatara Oct 27
          Replying to @jennarmathias @Noahpinion

          I think there is a disconnect. I'd need a poll to prove it... But I think most Indians like Apu... Those that find him offensive are minority. So we have a small number of loud celebrities defining the culture for us... Again.

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        2. Adam Ozimek‏ @ModeledBehavior Oct 27
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          If this was the actual complaint it seems like Apu having fully Americanized children would 100% solve the problem

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        1. pete brown‏ @drpetebrowncdu Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          You're WAY over-thinking this Noah. The fundamental problem here is 1. the characters in the Simpson's never age or even evolve much and 2. the show has been on FAR too damn long.

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        1. Andrew‏ @Webster87Andrew Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I would have rather introduced a son/nephew, who would serve as a contrast being s second generation immigrant, rather than writing/dropping the original character, but I see what you’re saying.

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        1. DB‏ @dacheteur Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I wish they hadn’t written him out and simply changed the character to being less of a stereotype

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        2. House of Black&White‏ @vahlamorgulis Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Seeing this again, I think Apu should be stayed Apu. And one of his kids should've come forward. A lax-playing bro. Or a startup chasing techie, bringing Amazon automation to the quickie mart. The shift that happens is generational.

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        3. House of Black&White‏ @vahlamorgulis Oct 27
          Replying to @vahlamorgulis @Noahpinion

          And let me clarify. I say that thinking about my parents and uncles. And whatever change they've had, however subtle, pales compared to their kids who had to swim in this country and adapt and adapt and adapt.

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        1. Meet Patel‏ @MeetPat44058208 Oct 29
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          There is no evidence that the character began to upset people as the years went on. A coterie of Hollywood liberals doesn't make for people!

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        1. Yves West Behrens‏ @nao_literal Oct 27
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          *began to upset twitter people

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        1. Peter Hull‏ @autoregress Oct 27
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          It's the brownface Noah

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        1. Walton‏ @WaltonBuzzGT Oct 27
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          It upset one person that decided to make it an issue and a trivial numbers of others

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