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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      Noah Smith Retweeted NME

      1/I'm thinking about the end of Apu in the context of the national debates on immigration and diversity.https://twitter.com/NME/status/1055902086796316672 …

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      NMEVerified account @NME
      ‘The Simpsons’ producer confirms Apu is being written out of show following controversy http://fal.cn/SPZn  pic.twitter.com/s34IUDUtqs
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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      2/Apu's presence in Springfield represented a basic reality of America in the late 20th and early 21st century: the presence of nonwhite immigrants.

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      3/As Tomas Jimenez writes in "The Other Side of Assimilation", for my generation, immigrants from India, China, Mexico, and many other countries aren't strange or foreign. On the contrary, they're a fixture.https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Assimilation-Immigrants-Changing/dp/0520295706 …

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

      4/But that America I grew up with is fundamentally ephemeral. The kids of immigrants don't retain their parents' culture. They merge into the local culture (and, as Jimenez documents, the local culture changes to reflect their influence).

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          5/Simpsons character don't change. But real people, and real communities, do. So a character who once represented the diversity that immigrants brought to American towns now represents a stereotype of Indian-Americans as "permanent foreigners".

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          6/As the children and grandchildren of each wave of immigrants become fully incorporated into American society, being conflated with their immigrant ancestors can lead to persistent racial divisions...which is probably why the character began to upset people as the years went on.

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        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          7/ At the same time, the advent of Trumpism, and the capture of the GOP by anti-immigrant, anti-diversity forces, will significantly curtail the immigration that defined the America I grew up in.

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          8/Whether this will speed the integration/assimilation of the descendants of recent immigrants, or lead to permanent racial divisions, remains to be seen.

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        6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          9/But both the Trumpians and the opponents of permanent-foreigner stereotypes seem to agree on one thing: the America of the 1990s and 2000s must end.

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        7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27

          10/The end of Apu symbolizes the end of that ephemeral, transitory, beautiful, immigrant-defined America. Where we go from now - toward full and equal incorporation of the descendants of immigrants, or toward exclusionary white supremacy - remains to be seen. (end)

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        2. Sisyphus‏ @papicek Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Stanford professor Robert Sapolsy on Language http://bit.ly/2OUuupx  He's a rock star, you'll enjoy this.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27
          Replying to @papicek

          He was a professor of mine in undergrad.

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        4. Sisyphus‏ @papicek Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I watched the videos of his biology of human behavior and came to understand very quickly why Stanford has the reputation it enjoys.

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        2. Asennai :: ወድ ሃይገት ዝላላ::‏ @Asennai Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Very interesting analysis. What does assimilation mean exactly in this context and where does acculturation (as opposed to assimilation in the sense it is generally understood) fit in this dialogue?

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 27
          Replying to @Asennai

          Read Tomas Jimenez books!!

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        4. Asennai :: ወድ ሃይገት ዝላላ::‏ @Asennai Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Thanks, I definitely will. I was curious about your take on it.

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        2. Sisyphus‏ @papicek Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          The first generation, older one speaks in his/her birth tongue while the sencond generation replies in American English. Both understand one another, yet this is how the conversation is conducted. I've seen this.

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        3. Myron Gaines  🇺🇸 🇮🇳‏ @MyronGaines1337 Oct 27
          Replying to @papicek @Noahpinion

          Right. The educated Indian classes understand English perfectly, but dislike speaking it, because it is very divergent from Indian languages. Vice versa for me and Hindi (about as dissimilar from English as Russian is).

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        4. Sisyphus‏ @papicek Oct 27
          Replying to @MyronGaines1337 @Noahpinion

          The instance I watched one generation speaking English to his grandmother peaking in her birth tongue was in Greek. I suspect history makes a difference here.

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        1. James Yu‏ @jamesjyu Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          But the kids (2nd gen) still have echoes of immigrant experience that are palpable. I wonder if a 2nd gen Apu would speak to this demographic.

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        1. Sisyphus‏ @papicek Oct 27
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          You'll note the kids don't even retain the accented English they experienced in their homes & I don't know if you've seen it, but conversations in immigrant households often go like this . . .

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        2. Vikram‏ @vikramvgarg Oct 30
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          This will not be the experience of all immigrant groups. Consider Hispanics and Indians for example. America can absorb Hispanic cultural influences more easily than Indian ones. Larger numbers, same religion, and overall cultural background that is different but not very alien.

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        3. Vikram‏ @vikramvgarg Oct 30
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          Consider cuisine for example. Tacos and burritos are American staple, Indian food remains niche, even non-vegetarian Indian fare, forget about the vegetarian fare that most elite Indian immigrants prefer.

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        4. Vikram‏ @vikramvgarg Oct 30
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          And such divergent experiences are going to breed resentments and one outcome will be hyper sensitivity to *any* representation in media.

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