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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 24

    Noah Smith Retweeted Yascha Mounk

    If this isn't blatant racial discrimination, I don't know what is.https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1055101714934718469 …

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    Yascha MounkVerified account @Yascha_Mounk
    "Harvard sends letters to high-school students in Sparse Country who have P.S.A.T. scores of 1310, encouraging them to apply. The only students with such scores who do not get the letter are Asians; to receive it, an Asian male must score at least 1380." https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/at-trial-harvards-asian-problem-and-a-preference-for-white-students-from-sparse-country/amp?__twitter_impression=true …
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      2. Jorg Lueke‏ @Real_Jorg Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I always though AA would be 90 slots determined just on merit and then the last 10 on merit within a subgroup that needed more representation. Not sabotaging the first 90 slots.

        2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 24
        Replying to @Real_Jorg

        yes

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Jeremy Hogg‏ @jhogg17 Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion @Real_Jorg

        Too much symbol, not enough math; too much idealism, not enough organization of thought.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Hugh Mann; stable genius‏ @LittleNonsuch Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion @benedictevans

        I smell opportunity! Let’s open an elite Asian oriented university for clever Asians!

        1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 24
        Replying to @LittleNonsuch @benedictevans

        It's called Caltech

        2 replies 1 retweet 35 likes
      4. Burnt-Out Case‏ @BurntOutCase Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion @LittleNonsuch @benedictevans

        Also UC - Berkeley

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. gr wt‏ @babarganesh Oct 25
        Replying to @BurntOutCase @Noahpinion and

        someone should do this as a for-profit university. could be very profitable

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Hugh Mann; stable genius‏ @LittleNonsuch Oct 25
        Replying to @babarganesh @BurntOutCase and

        I know right? Sweep away all the legacy university bullshit too.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. End of conversation
      1. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        We agree on a thing!

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      2. Jennifer Arrow‏ @JenniferArrow Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        My relative who is half Jewish half South Asian frequently jokes about moving her kids to Montana to increase their college admissions chances.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Wateer‏ @Wateer10 Oct 24
        Replying to @JenniferArrow @Noahpinion

        He could claim to be Latino and be done with it.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Anil Das‏ @dasanil Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Anil Das Retweeted Yascha Mounk

        Raw scores do not convey full magnitude of this discrimination. 1310 is top 8.5% of students, while 1380 is top 4.5%, which means an Asian student has to be twice as good as a white student to be considered acceptable material by Harvard.https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1055101714934718469 …

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        Yascha MounkVerified account @Yascha_Mounk
        "Harvard sends letters to high-school students in Sparse Country who have P.S.A.T. scores of 1310, encouraging them to apply. The only students with such scores who do not get the letter are Asians; to receive it, an Asian male must score at least 1380." https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/at-trial-harvards-asian-problem-and-a-preference-for-white-students-from-sparse-country/amp?__twitter_impression=true …
        1 reply 2 retweets 12 likes
      3. cj‏ @cjesqip Oct 24
        Replying to @dasanil @Noahpinion

        Could be true if the 91st percentile is half as "good" as 95th. Wait... but why are we presuming that again?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Anil Das‏ @dasanil Oct 24
        Replying to @cjesqip @Noahpinion

        They're not. I'm making that interpretation. i.e. they have set the bar so that if student scores were randomly assigned, an Asian student would have half as much chance of being invited as a white student would.

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      1. 3rdMoment‏ @3rdMoment Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        These scores are so low (by Harvard standards), it seems more like an attempt to lower their admissions rate for rankings.

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      1. Ettaroo‏ @ettaroo Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        looks like the wrong people learned how to use SQL queries...

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      1. Ian McCullough‏ @IanMMcC Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Bigger question: there are about 3,000 4-year degree granting institutions in the US. Why are we constantly so preoccupied with this *one*? They have a powerful alumni network, but perhaps the disproportionate value we place on the Harvard brand reflects a market problem.

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      1. Jonathan Paulson‏ @PaulsonJonathan Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I thought it was supposed to be OK to selectively encourage people to apply as long as you didn't discriminate during selection? (not that this describes Harvard) This is the usual remedy suggested for increasing the number of women in tech.

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      2. James R Williamson‏ @jrwill9 Oct 24
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Given their discriminatory admissions policy, they're doing the right thing. They shouldn't encourage Asians to apply who have no chance of getting in.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Iron Hermit‏ @2bigdoghouse Oct 24
        Replying to @jrwill9 @Noahpinion

        "no chance." extremely talented asian athlete in scarce country might have gotten in under the jock preference. or otherwise rarely talented kid--music, dance--might have won acceptance. harvard accepts singularly gifted applicants with relatively weaker academic credentials

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