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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 22

      Noah Smith Retweeted Bloomberg

      I propose a two-type Affirmative Action system for college admissions. It would give extra consideration to two groups: 1. Black Americans and Native Americans 2. Americans from poor backgroundshttps://twitter.com/business/status/1054374025374433280 …

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      BloombergVerified account @business
      Race-based college admissions is a mess and could be destroyed by its foes. @Noahpinion proposes a way to save it https://bloom.bg/2EzMi4E  via @bopinion
      31 replies 25 retweets 121 likes
    2. Benn Steil‏ @BennSteil Oct 22
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Should Black and Native Americans be eligible, under your scheme, if their families are wealthy and they had an elite secondary education?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 22
      Replying to @BennSteil

      Yes

      8:06 AM - 22 Oct 2018
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        2. Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D., M.S.‏ @Neoavatara Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          How is this two track system fundamentally different from what we have now? It might strengthen support for the Poor, I guess, but otherwise is status quo. No?

          4 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 22
          Replying to @Neoavatara @BennSteil

          Read the post!!

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. End of conversation
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        2. AgainstTrumpDude‏ @TheAmishDude Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          Of course. Talented Tenth all over again. You create a (mostly) hereditary elite class that "represents" the lower class. It's kind of like the British Raj in a way. You don't have to deal with people qua people, just the, well, tribal leaders.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 22
          Replying to @TheAmishDude @BennSteil

          I think that's not the greatest metaphor. And remember that my system would have class AA on top of Black/Native AA.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. AgainstTrumpDude‏ @TheAmishDude Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          I know people like to pooh-pooh the idea that we don't have a class system in the US, but we really don't when it comes to smart people. Working class people who get a TEM education jump to the upper middle class quite easily.

          1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
        5. Holden‏ @Holden114 Oct 22
          Replying to @TheAmishDude @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          The thing is people of a certain class are the ones who can better educate their children to become smart and thus successful. So "smart" still becomes a proxy for "class."

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. AgainstTrumpDude‏ @TheAmishDude Oct 22
          Replying to @Holden114 @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          This is 100% true. I am unique as a math PhD what with having gone to American public school and having no academic parents (in fact, first gen, which is the hot new thing). Nonetheless, the truly brilliant get easily found.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Arjun‏ @a_r_j_u_n_e Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          The reason for that is atonement and nothing else, if I read it right?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 22
          Replying to @a_r_j_u_n_e @BennSteil

          Not atonement (or not *just* atonement I guess). It's to make absolutely sure that Black people have a presence in the U.S. elite, to help undo the institutional legacy of slavery/segregation/etc., and to make sure it doesn't happen again, and to give Black people a stake.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Arjun‏ @a_r_j_u_n_e Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          Ok so the underlying driver there is that even with family wealth and rich educational backgrounds of the parents representation is still an issue for those specific children? Growing up in India with ‘reservations’, there are parallels - and issues. Interesting to observe.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Arjun‏ @a_r_j_u_n_e Oct 22
          Replying to @a_r_j_u_n_e @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          Another way to ask the question - why not advantage an economically challenged child over the one isn’t?

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Benn Steil‏ @BennSteil Oct 22
          Replying to @a_r_j_u_n_e @Noahpinion

          That's one of Noah's proposals.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Arjun‏ @a_r_j_u_n_e Oct 22
          Replying to @BennSteil @Noahpinion

          Then there should be no spots left for wealthy African Americans?

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        1. Geo Philips‏ @geophilips Oct 22
          Replying to @Noahpinion @BennSteil

          This proposal is mostly great but it needs a creamy layer exception of some kind, at least two generations in, for the ethnic AA to work well

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