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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15

    Noah Smith Retweeted The Atlantic

    I still do not understand why stopping Harvard from discriminating in favor of rich white people also requires eliminating affirmative action for black people. It makes no sense to me.https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1051992300098899969 …

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    During opening arguments, the lawyers challenging Harvard showed how they would transition to a broader critique on affirmative action: Slowly, then all at once, writes @adamhsays. http://on.theatln.tc/4KwwPJp 
    7:47 PM - 15 Oct 2018
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      2. Harrison Sedmak‏ @HSedmak Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Pragmatically speaking, I don’t buy the evidence that affirmative action helps minorities as a whole. When students with lower test scores are placed in academically rigorous schools like Harvard, they may end up flunking out or changing their major to something easier.

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
        Replying to @HSedmak

        Maybe some do, but I think overall people do fine. And I think we owe it to black people to give them a stake in the American elite, and that means elite schools.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. elfblood777‏ @elfblood777 Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion @HSedmak

        Much stronger case for AA for black people descended from US slaves and native americans than for any immigrants. Latter families chose to come here willingly accepting our "warts and all."

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      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
        Replying to @elfblood777 @HSedmak

        yep

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      6. Bertrand Sérieyx‏ @bserieyx Oct 16
        Replying to @Noahpinion @elfblood777 @HSedmak

        That's weird thinking to me. Nobody alive today chose to be born here or there, black or white. Affirmative action can be a good proxy for "giving opportunity to poor people with no network". But it shouldn't be motivated racially, even when formally implemented so.

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      2. schakwin‏ @schakwin Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Um, could it be that the latter is really the point? Look at who’s behind the lawsuit.

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
        Replying to @schakwin

        yeah but their tactic shouldn't work

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      4. schakwin‏ @schakwin Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Agree, but magic is about distraction. And we have a Supreme Court that’s salivating as it waits for this case.

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      2. Interpol CEO Balding‏ @BaldingsWorld Oct 16
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        This is the nature of government programs. Astounding amount of government spending for instance just circulated. You create a benefit for one group other groups try to and frequently receive similar benefit. Perfect example. Doesn't make it right, makes it reality

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      3. PaddyOFitz‏ @patrickfitzg_o Oct 16
        Replying to @BaldingsWorld @Noahpinion

        “The nine most terrifying words in the English language”

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      2. Shadow Puppet‏ @shibuyashadows Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Affirmative action should just be for poor people.

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      3. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @shibuyashadows @Noahpinion

        Truly that should be the case, but then, in many regions of this country, poverty tends to be a proxy for race. The issue is a complex one that will not be solved with simple solutions.

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      4. Shadow Puppet‏ @shibuyashadows Oct 16
        Replying to @luisespinal @Noahpinion

        Exactly so the economic situation will capture the variables that contribute to disparity of opportunity- not just whatever the flavor of the moment happens to be.

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      5. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @shibuyashadows @Noahpinion

        Yes and no. There are still systemic forms of discrimination against certain minorities (in particular African-Americans and Hispanics) the function of which have little to do with economics and yet carry significant impact. I want to do away with AA. We are not ready yet.

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      6. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @luisespinal @shibuyashadows @Noahpinion

        2/ The way I see it, we could start shifting AA so that it only applies to Native Americans and African-Americans. Perhaps *some* Hispanics from historically disenfranchised communities (Chicano and Puerto Ricans, but not recently arrived Hispanics.

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      7. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @luisespinal @shibuyashadows @Noahpinion

        3/ And we should start including students White students from historically poor areas in the South/Appalachia. Alongside we begin to do AA based on income, and within 1-2 generations we switch fully to an income-based system.

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      8. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @luisespinal @shibuyashadows @Noahpinion

        4/ Quite honestly (and I'm sorry if I'm going off the tangent), most of this would not be needed if we had affordable post-HS adult/trade/vocational education *across the board* (we focus way too much in 4-year degrees.) We simply do not cultivate human capital.

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      1. pete brown‏ @drpetebrowncdu Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        What's odd is that the "personal ratings" are ill-defined and may be stealthily designed to hold down Asian enrollments to the benefit of all other races.

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      1. Kjell "Shell" Nygren‏ @PaSwede Oct 15
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        My sense is that Asian Americans (especially Chinese) increasingly are attending the same exclusive private schools as whites and are increasingly living in same upper-middle class neighborhoods 1/

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      2. refugee, resident, citizen, father of new roots‏ @luisespinal Oct 16
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        1/ The way I see it. A. I believe AA has worked, in particular with historically disenfranchised minorities. B. We are closer to a point where AA should be phased out to a program based on income.

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      3. Truculent Sheep‏ @TruculentSheep Oct 16
        Replying to @luisespinal @Noahpinion

        It's a complex and serious discussion that requires adherence to the facts, data and ongoing research, rather than ideology. But that won't stop people trying to use cases like this as a wedge issue for cruder reasons. sadly.

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