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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Paris Commune and early Russian revolution. Vietnam before we interfered. I could go through a list of short-lived Latin American socialist states but we all know who fucked that up (hint: the U.S.)

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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion

      Yeah, I'm not sure that temporary pseudo-states in the middle of wars, that promptly went to shit, are great examples of socialist success. Russia and Vietnam screwed themselves over long after the war threat was gone, while South Korea, Taiwan, etc. flourished.

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    3. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      They’re not examples of success but they are examples of hope and of what people were willing to fight for to control their own destinies. Understanding why they failed however requires an understanding of the countries who intervened to prevent their success

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion

      I view them more as cautionary tales. Yeah, it's good for people to fight to control their destinies. But the relationship between revolutionary energy and successful reform efforts is a complex and uncertain one.

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    5. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      It’s very complex and uncertain. It’s also been subject to brutal repression and military intervention.

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion

      Indeed. And, usually, has dealt out the same.

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    7. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      But no one holds even a candle to us

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    8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion

      That's just absolutely and totally false. Most of those regimes were far worse than us.

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    9. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      How to synthesize decades of U.S. foreign policy...Latin America alone is a potent enough example. Look at all our military and economic interventions there. And then look at where all those terrible regimes got their support

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    10. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion @Noahpinion

      Or take N Korea who we bombed to near extinction, killing a third of their civilians and leaving no two pieces of wood nailed together. We have a nuke problem with them because of our foreign intervention.

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
      Replying to @SeattleScion

      Yeah North Korea's decision to starve and brutalize their people was our fault from a war in the 1950s. Do you realize how wack and illogical that sort of thought process is??

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        2. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Im saying we are here because of our foreign policy. Certainly North Korea and Iran both have their own agency. It would be paternalistic to say otherwise. But your remarks seek to situate the U.S. in a morally superior position with no recognition...

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        3. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
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          ...that we’ve played a central and horrific role in their history and thus their potential options for the future. You think slaughtering a third of their civilians, destroying their entire infrastructure and then locking them out of the global economy...

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        4. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
          Replying to @SeattleScion @Noahpinion

          ...might have played a SLIGHT role in shaping their future?

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        5. Barry Westbrook‏ @SeattleScion Oct 15
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          (I’m speaking of North Korea here btw)

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