Yeah, I'm not sure that temporary pseudo-states in the middle of wars, that promptly went to shit, are great examples of socialist success. Russia and Vietnam screwed themselves over long after the war threat was gone, while South Korea, Taiwan, etc. flourished.
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They’re not examples of success but they are examples of hope and of what people were willing to fight for to control their own destinies. Understanding why they failed however requires an understanding of the countries who intervened to prevent their success
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I view them more as cautionary tales. Yeah, it's good for people to fight to control their destinies. But the relationship between revolutionary energy and successful reform efforts is a complex and uncertain one.
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It’s very complex and uncertain. It’s also been subject to brutal repression and military intervention.
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Indeed. And, usually, has dealt out the same.
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That's just absolutely and totally false. Most of those regimes were far worse than us.
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How to synthesize decades of U.S. foreign policy...Latin America alone is a potent enough example. Look at all our military and economic interventions there. And then look at where all those terrible regimes got their support
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Or take N Korea who we bombed to near extinction, killing a third of their civilians and leaving no two pieces of wood nailed together. We have a nuke problem with them because of our foreign intervention.
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Same with Iran. Our foreign policy (and the U.K. If you go back to WW1 breakup of the Ottoman Empire) has created the conditions we’re currently in
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Sure, but A) Iran is a nasty regime, but not nearly as nasty as people think, and B) Iran could have reformed itself any time in the last 30 years, but chose not to. America isn't the only country with agency.
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