Norway is great. But living like Norway ain't gonna save the climate unless we decarbonize a lot more than Norway has, my friend.
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Replying to @Noahpinion
Paris Commune and early Russian revolution. Vietnam before we interfered. I could go through a list of short-lived Latin American socialist states but we all know who fucked that up (hint: the U.S.)
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Yeah, I'm not sure that temporary pseudo-states in the middle of wars, that promptly went to shit, are great examples of socialist success. Russia and Vietnam screwed themselves over long after the war threat was gone, while South Korea, Taiwan, etc. flourished.
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Replying to @Noahpinion
They’re not examples of success but they are examples of hope and of what people were willing to fight for to control their own destinies. Understanding why they failed however requires an understanding of the countries who intervened to prevent their success
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I view them more as cautionary tales. Yeah, it's good for people to fight to control their destinies. But the relationship between revolutionary energy and successful reform efforts is a complex and uncertain one.
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Replying to @Noahpinion
It’s very complex and uncertain. It’s also been subject to brutal repression and military intervention.
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Russian revolution for example was dependent on a German revolution, which nearly happened. It was also the only near feudal state in Europe. It had only just begun to industrialize and only in certain cities.
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And the Russians spent years mired in civil war at least partly influenced by western-funded White armies. So again if you’re looking for a simple socialism is bad, capitalism is good argument you won’t find it here
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Sure. Nor do I want to make (or hear) such an argument.
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