Venezuela: the example used to denigrate socialism by capitalists who understand nothing of it or the history of the country they’re discussing
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Yes, let's dismantle capitalism and save the planet with Norway-style socialism instead!pic.twitter.com/peT2BXbvSS
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Oh so we’re talking about Norway nowhttps://www.economist.com/special-report/2013/02/02/the-rich-cousin …
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Norway is great. But living like Norway ain't gonna save the climate unless we decarbonize a lot more than Norway has, my friend.
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Do you really think those failures are orthogonal to Chavez' brand of socialism? Spending tons of money = Chavez' strategy to help the poor (which was inevitably riddled with cronyism). As for not diversifying...it's hard to do without private business.
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The money spent wasn’t exclusively spent on the poor or programs for them. Their economy originally flourished but it was based on oil revenues and when that tanked the economy did too. So Venezuela was as dependent on capitalistic markets as we are.
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If we kill all of humanity we'll stop climate change too
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there’s no climate change if there’s no climate
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Your falling into the anthropomorphic climate change trap. Don’t do it!
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Don't worry, I won't treat climate change like a person
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I do like how you refuse to even discuss the example of cuba in relation to climate change, especially considering its the only country in the world to meet the WFF's sustainable develop standard. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257559970_An_approach_to_sustainable_development_The_case_of_Cuba/download …
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That's interesting! Will check it out. I do know that Cuba is horribly polluted...(confirmed by friends who visited there and couldn't stand the pollution)
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It's carbon emissions and agricultural land footprint are very small for its HDI. The authors here point out that Cuba's central planning and government policy are a significant factor contributing to why Cuba has been able to do this, in particular their program to make its
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electrical system vastly more efficient. The reason for Cuba's high HDI, as well, are the result of that planning and policy.pic.twitter.com/5yltde9ewM
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Here's my devils advocate take - if capital were socially controlled, it would be way easier to deploy it in a way that accounted for environmental externalities, whereas in our current system the private gain/social cost divergence causes problems
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You can probably handle that problem more simply by just instituting a large carbon tax and dividend, but hey
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might address climate change, but not sure whether it will dismantle capitalism :) owning something and creating something are common among regular humans (save the ascetics) (maybe that is also a social construct)
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