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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

    Noah Smith Retweeted Noah Smith

    Most people think climate change denial is about preserving the profits of fossil fuel companies and coal plants. But I think nowadays it's often just about the illusion of control. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending a problem doesn't exist to avoid being scared.https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1051676246545977344 …

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    13/And finally, the biggest and most important way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by simple denialism. Many Americans pretend that climate science is more uncertain than it really is, or that climate scientists are dishonest, etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html …
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      2. Eduardo Porter‏Verified account @portereduardo Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Something similar motivates magical thinking on other end: that we can solve the problem cheaply, in harmony with nature, by deploying windmills and solar panels.

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 15
        Replying to @portereduardo

        I don't know anyone who thinks it'll be cheap!

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      4. Eduardo Porter‏Verified account @portereduardo Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        There is this, of course:http://www.pnas.org/content/112/49/15060 …

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      2. Stefan von Imhof‏ @stefanvonimhof Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Climate change denial is synchronous with a belief that limitless growth/greed are unequivocally good. People who fundamentally believe humanity is above nature find the capability of our self-destruction impossible to admit or stomach. Because it's the ultimate human fuckup.

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      3. Stefan von Imhof‏ @stefanvonimhof Oct 14
        Replying to @stefanvonimhof @Noahpinion

        In a sense, CC denialists are in denial about humanity's propensity for evil. They're also making a long-term life bet that either: a) Everything will blow over/tech will solve it b) They'll be dead for the worst of it The former is rooted in ignorance, the latter in greed.

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      1. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        It's both. The people want the illusion of control; the fossil fuel companies provide the talking points you can repeat to reassure yourself.

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      1. Chris (Robotbeat) 🗽 🖖🏾‏ @Robotbeat Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Still, >$100 trillion in stranded assets is nothing to sneeze at.

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      2. Diego Morales‏ @DiegoAlways_ Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        You yourself have written about elites buying consensus in economics. Climate denial became a $900mil annual business, and this is well documented. Before, more than 70% of Americans understood CC, and now it's close to half. This is class war.

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      3. Diego Morales‏ @DiegoAlways_ Oct 14
        Replying to @DiegoAlways_ @Noahpinion

        Sources: http://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/pdfs/Institutionalizing%20Delay%20-%20Climatic%20Change.ashx … https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-Global-Warming-2009-12.pdf …

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      1. Steve Roth‏ @asymptosis Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Agree. Climate-change denialism is mostly ego-driven signaling of tribal identity. Conservatives' political identities revolve around fear, or at least use fear as self-justification.

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      1. Kierkegaarden Cop‏ @joshsteich Oct 15
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        Uh also about tribal identity

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      1. YouthfulEagle  🌹‏ @YouthfulEagle Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion @aschleigh

        I think both of those and likely also those who fear the deniers. People who know the climate is collapsing but fear (at least as much) those who, in their eyes, run the world and provide the stability of that world—large corporations and our capitalistic nation states.

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      1. Nick Pisarro‏ @highenergybeams Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I recall seeing a piece in IIRC the national review claiming that climate change would have positive effects. So either it's not real, or it is real but would be good. So it doesn't matter, what matters is those darn liberals are wrong.

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      1. Mymmeli‏ @Mymmeli8 Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        You sure you’re not projecting your own control sentiments onto the whole country btw?

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      1. Ian Monroe‏ @eean Oct 14
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        Climate change resilience might be a good frame for everything we to do, even carbon reduction

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      1. Jake Wertz‏ @jakewertz Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Ah yes, if only we could break through to the GOP Congress, President, and Supreme Court with [checks notes] accurate information.

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      2. Pete Alex Harris‏ @ScavengerEthic Oct 14
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        A simpler hypothesis, given how climate change denial has aligned politically, is that the denialists know who will be worst affected and they're OK with it. Eager, even.

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      3. Pete Alex Harris‏ @ScavengerEthic Oct 14
        Replying to @ScavengerEthic @Noahpinion

        IOW incompetence is not a better prior than malice after there is already abundant evidence for malice.

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      2. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        It's absolutely NOT about avoiding fear. It's about avoiding feeling dumb, or less-than. It's the single most pronounced & most widespread form of anti-eltism/-intellectualism on display in the US today. Climate denial is a "fuck you" to egg-heads who think they know better.

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      3. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @dcwych @Noahpinion

        Saying it's about fear implies that climate deniers trust scientists in their hearts but cloak their feelings to shield themselves from fear/discomfort. But, they *don't care* if the scientists are right or wrong. They care that the scientists *think* they're so right.

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      4. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @dcwych @Noahpinion

        People always scoff at climate deniers by loling about the ludicrousness of conspiracy theories about why climate scientists would be making it all up, but those people miss the point. Conspiracy theories work backwards, constructing a means to an end, and they laugh at the means

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      5. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @dcwych @Noahpinion

        What's the end climate deniers are constructing a means to? *They don't trust scientists in the first place*. And they hate the idea of scientists telling them what to do/ how to live. Scientists are just another sect of elitists spitting on them from the ivory tower.

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      6. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @dcwych @Noahpinion

        As a grad student, all I can say is ... If only they knew what a real scientists life was like... 🙃

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      7. Évariste‏ @dcwych Oct 15
        Replying to @dcwych @Noahpinion

        Évariste Retweeted Stefan von Imhof

        Also, this:https://twitter.com/SoCalism/status/1051706849358176257?s=19 …

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        Stefan von Imhof @stefanvonimhof
        Replying to @Noahpinion
        Climate change denial is synchronous with a belief that limitless growth/greed are unequivocally good. People who fundamentally believe humanity is above nature find the capability of our self-destruction impossible to admit or stomach. Because it's the ultimate human fuckup.
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